Genealogy Chat

Hi Derek,I am awaiting a death and marriage cert for the mother of Emily Unwin,but if you want to fill the odd hour could you help?

!871 census Emily is listed as Adopted child, aged 8 living in Eyam with George and Sara Blackwell.,

By the 1881 census she has adopted the Blackwell name.I know what happened to her from then on,But can't trace her parents.
On her birth cert they are William Unwin,lead miner of Eyam,and Ann Unwin nee Siddall.
One would presume that if they wed that they would be together on the 1771 census but I can't find them..I have found a record of two people of those names marrying in Sheffield,which would make sense as some of my Blackwells had moved there by then.Also a death of Ann Unwin in 1862,and these are the two that are ordered.

So there is the puzzle,which William Unwin was he? and who was Ann Siddall

Please only have a look if you are desparate for something to do,and have a lovely xmas xxxxxx

Hello Derek,

This is just to wish you a very Happy Christmas and New Year. And to say a big thank you for all the help you have given me with my "Josephs" and Halls.

Everyone here, Please raise a glass or three to Derek. xx

Merry Christmas from me too, Derek.

I imagine is pretty snowed in at the moment, we are in North Derbyshire. Very picturesque but inconvenient.

Over the break, I'll see if I can find some more Needhams for you to investigate, just in case you get fed up of the jollities.

Have a good time.

Margaret

Hi Derek

Just out of interest do you have any records for Netherseal area? Interested in Copestakes. I think i remember you mentioning not having records for this area but I may have remembered incorrectly so pose the question anyway.

Kind regards
Paul

Hi Derek,Nina again,this morning I recieved the death cert of Ann Unwin nee Siddall aged 38 in 1862,Eyam,husband William Unwin.

I still can't find them on the census,I think that I found their wedding,in Sheffield in the mid fifties,but that hasn't arrived yet.

The only useful info there is her age I suppose,but I know that you can do miracles.

Have a super xmas. Nina from Sheffield.

Hello Nina...........ANN SIDDAL.one L.was baptised Eyam 03.06.1824..had a brother HENRY baptised 25.11.1827

ANN UNWIN buried Eyam 27.08.1862 aged 38..........can't find any marriage at this stage..but if she married in Sheffield what is she doing back in Eyam????? There is a burial for one WILLIAM UNWIN 15.07.1857 (of Bakewell) buried at Eyam.aged 69........probably not of any use to you,but I add it for information only......

Derek xx

Hi Derek, re Gerrards of Bradbourne area. Sorry, just couldn't wait - received the marriage certificates and was eager to open them. Great Christmas present!

Re Samuel Gerrard and Sarah Ensor. They were married Aug 5, 1850, in the Parish Church, with witnesses John Taylor and Mary Ensor. Sarah signed with an "x". Interestingly enough, Samuel's residence at the time of marriage was Hartington. His father is indeed Joseph Gerrard, miller. as per my earlier post, in the just resurrected family bible, his death date is noted as 26 Mar 1887. Great that at this time of year, we've added a Joseph to your Mary!!!

Re Wilfred Gerrard and his "unknown" father. When Wilfred (21) married Alice (21) on Nov 28, 1903, in Church Broughton, the father of Wilfred is noted as John Gerrard, deceased. Wonder if this was a “made up” father for appearances sake, or did she actually marry, or have a very long affair with a cousin. This all happens between censuses, so is very difficult to find anything.

Merry Christmas Derek
Diane from Canada

Thanks Derek, yes, that is the right death for Ann,I have her death cert.

I found a marriage record of William Unwin to Ann Siddall in Sheffield.It makes sense because they were connected to my Blackwell family,some of whom moved to Sheffield,presumably to find work.

She could have returned home to Eyam to have her baby,who was born in Eyam,and Ann died nine days later. Part of my Blackwell family took the baby in and she stayed until she married.

Now you have found Ann's family I will know whether the cert is the correct one when it arrives. Thank you again,Nina

Hello Nina.....just realised that although I have the Eyam parish Registers..the births only go as far as 1841..although marriages and deaths go to 1860 and 1867 respectively. No wonder i can't find Ann's baby!

Hi Diane...........Making up names to appear proper is not new.....when i first started my Family Search, i was stymied for a long while by my mothers maiden name and the name of her "father" on her Marriage Certificate. I spent AGES!! searching for this fictitious person..who was also noted as "deceased"..then I realised mother never married and the surname "Gregson" was not her married name but her maiden name......and my mother had made the whole thing up!!

In the absence of any other information it may be that your case is the same. Whenever i see "deceased" in that situation the alarm bells ring!!
Derek

Hi Derek,good news,I recieved Ann and William's marriage cert this morning,and it is the correct one.
They wed June 1854 in Sheffield ,his father William Unwin and hers Agar Siddall.

I also found her and her brothers Baptism records on family search.

The strange thing is that I havn't found her, either with her husband,or her birth family on any records,although her parents are on census records living in Eyam,Father Agar,mother Deborah both b about 1795.

The plot thickens,I will be busy searching over xmas. Once again,love to you and your family.Nina.xxxxxx

Hello Nina.I forgot to give you the parents of Ann...Agar (Agur) and Deborah.

Have since confirmed the marriage of AGAR SIDDALL to DEBORAH YOUNG at Eyam 05.11.1821.clealry the single L at the end of Ann's Baptism record is arbitrary..because I have found two other children with the correct spelling..

Full list therefore is:

Sarah 14.04.1822..which by my reckoning means that Agar and debs were being very naughty before they got married!!! lol
Ann 03.06.1824
Henry 25.11.1827
John 20.10.1833

Just for your records DEBORAH YOUNG bpat Eyam 12.01.1794 one of six children of William and Sarah Young.

So now you know who Ann Siddall was!!

Derek

Thanks Derek,it is always brilliant to know that my feeble poking round the records are correct.

I was particularly interested in this twig despite not being blood related. In case you are interested,Emily married a miner(surprise) and ended up living in Bolsover.

As far as I can see she was childless,so that is the end of that twig.

Thanks again my little star.Nina from Sheffield.xxxxxxxxxxx

Thanks Derek for the info on the "deceased" father. Just as I imagined. Received the birh certificate for Wilfred and no father's name is given either. Drats.

Re the mother of Samuel being Mary. With her stated married state as "widowed" in 1851, that doesn't match with the bible death date of Joseph as 1887. And they wouldn't lie in a bible, would they?

Found another Joseph in the 1841 census, that is living close and the occupations match. Doesn't give a birth place for Samuel though.

Name: Joseph Gerrard
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796

Living in the Civil parish of Alton
County Staffordshire

Occupation: Journeyman Miller

Joseph Gerrard 45
Elizabeth Gerrard 40
Samuel Gerrard 18 (also states miller)
Joseph Gerrard 15
George Gerrard 13
Elizabeth Gerrard 10
Mary Gerrard 8
Ann Gerrard 5
Martha Gerrard 8 Mo

Would your records cover this area, and do you think this might be an option?

Happy New Year and many thanks,
Diane

sssshh..everybody..just got full access to 1911 Census.....don't all shout at once!!!

Derek

you hoooooooooooooooooooooo
luv sally

Hi Derek,

Do you have any records for Bolsover.

On the 1911 census George Pashley born c1860 Hardwick and his wife Sarah Ann ? born Sleaford, Lincs, had been married for 32 years and had had 10 children, 4 of whom had died. I believe all the children were born in Bolsover so perhaps would have been baptised at St Marys I believe. Would you be able to check the baptisms and deaths for me. I have Mary 1885, Ernest 1888, Millie 1890, Edgar 1892 and John 1898 so there are 5 I haven't identified. Mary was named Mary Elizabeth and is listed as Lizzie on an earlier census.

Ernest, Millie, Edgar and John are listed in 1911 census.

I have Edgars birth certificate and mothers maiden name appears to be White but the only marriage I can find appears to be in 1879, the year ties in with the census info, but brides surname is Hilton so I am a little confused.

Hope you can help.

Thanks

Chrissie

Hi Chrissie..I don't have the Bolsover Parish records.......becasue they are in such poor condition they have never been transcribed for public use.and a whole section between about 1770 and 1812 is missing and gone for ever.
The originals are at Matlock, and may be on Microfilm.I'll look next time I go
In the meantime I'll have a sniff around other possibilities!!

derek

Hi Derek,

Thank you for your reply and offer to look at Matlock.

Regards

Chrissie

Hi Derek

Just checking my Needham records again, and realise I don't have a death record of Sarah Needham, born about 1796 and died between 1819 and 1824. I am assuming in Tideswell. Can you help?

Margaret