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I am trying to find out about the history and habitants of Butterthwaite Wheel. I know that some of my direct ancestors lived there as they show on the 1841 census. These were William Hulley, his wife Harriet, their children and Harriets mother Elizabeth Woolhouse. It is the Woolhouse family that I am interested in. I have found a Jonathon Woolhouse living at Butterthawaite Wheel on the 1861 Census, and I am sure they are related, but I do not know how.

Am I right in thinking that it is possible to find out who lived in a particular property. If so could someone tell me how to go about this.

Sandra

1851 Same place
Jonathan Woolhouse abt 1832 Butterthwaite Well, Yorkshire, England Nephew Ecclesfield, Yorkshire

You should be able to fit them all together from family search.
Ecclesfield
C007522 1813-1835 M007521 1558-1621
C007523 1718-1781 M007522 1813-1835
C007524 1782-1812 M007523 1718-1781
P007521 1599-1620 M007524 1782-1812

Father: Jonathon , Mother: Elizabeth <<<<<<<
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Batch Number: C007522
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1. WILLIAM WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 JUN 1823 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England

2. JOHN WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1820 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England

3. HENRY WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 FEB 1817 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England

4. JONATHAN WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 SEP 1825 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the information. I managed to find jonathon on ancestry and by putting in C007522 in to family search I came up with two Jonathons and Jonathon 1825 parents of jonathon Woolhouse and Elizabeth. I am not sure what the other codes represent. Perhaps I am not using the web site properly.

Also, my reason for trying to find out about Jonathon Woolhouse was to try and establish if he was related and how to Harriet. I know loads about William Hulley but I am really struggling with Harriet. Ultimately I would like to find out who her parents were. I thought by going sideways and establishing who her siblings were this may help find her parents.

One of the problems is that Harriet was born c1810, a good few years before both Jonathons and was married in Rotherham on the 31st Oct 1831 in Rotherham.

Sandra

Sandra
I cannot find the 1841 but there are no relationships given.So how do you know that Elizabeth is Harriett's mother?

Hi Jim, this is the 1841 census. Elizabeth Woolhouse is with the family on the original copy. and I Know that Harriets maiden name was Woolhouse. If I am honest, I don't know for sure that Elizabeth is Harriets mother but taking on board her age and surname, it is a reasoned guess.

William Ully
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (North Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wortley
Sub registration district: Ecclesfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizebeth Ully 5
Harriet Ully 26
Joseph Ully 8
Thomas Ully 1
William Ully 30
William Ully 7

You missed the double line there are three separate households. Wilkinson/Woolhouse/Ully

1841 England Census
about William Wootham
Name: William Wootham
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (North Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wortley
Sub registration district: Ecclesfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eizibeth Wootham 50
Henry Wootham 6
Jonathan Wootham 16
Jonathan Wootham 9
William Wootham 18

PS as IGI

Only Harriet on IGI
HARRIET WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 JUL 1809 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire,

Hi Jim, I have just realised this. However, it is quite a coincidence that the births on the family search website coincide with the names on the 1841 census
and I think it is conceivable that wootham could have bbeen mistranscribed as Woolhouse.

Sandra

I am aware of this entry on igi, but I also know of this entry.

Harriet Woolhouse at St Mary's, Ecclesfield on the 19th June 1814. My concern is making assumptions!!

Sandra

Right
I had to struggle but I have found
HARRIET WOOTHORPE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 JUN 1814 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Could be Woolhouse I suppose,so her mother would be Elizabeth
Which is confirmed by;1851 England Census
about Elizabeth Woolhouse
Name: Elizabeth Woolhouse
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Town: Chapeltown
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wortley
Sub registration district: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 188
Household Members: Name Age
John Alderson 48
Ann Helly 9
Joseph Helly 18
Thomas Helly 11
Joseph Taylor 22
Elizabeth Woolhouse 65
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And Harriet's details

1861 England Census
about Harriott Taylor
Name: Harriott Taylor
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Kimberworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub registration district: Kimberworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hully 9 Mo
Thomas Hully 20
Fredrick Taylor 7
Harriott Taylor 47
Joseph Taylor 32
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So all in all Jonathon in 1861 is her brother

More than your fair share of mistranscriptions.
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marriage
Harriet Hulley 1852 Oct-Nov-Dec Rotherham Derbyshire, South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West
Joseph Taylor
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death
William Hulley 1848 Jan-Feb-Mar Wortley (1838-1974) Yorkshire - West Riding
1851
Harriet Hulley abt 1814 Efield, Yorkshire, England Nurse Ecclesfield, Yorkshire

Hi Jim,

I knew you wouldn't let me down!!

Two points. Firstly, in order to prove or disprove the Wootham transcription on the 1841 census I looked to see if I could find the family on any other census returns - I couldnt.

And this is the naughty bit. I was told of the Christening for Harriet at st. Marys Ecclesfield. The bit I didn't say was that her parents were Jonathon and Elizabeth.

However, the part that is really interesting is that I think you have found a second marriage for Harriet. William ulley died in 1848.

I will investigate this further.

Many, many thanks, Sandra

Hi Jim,

Could you explain the last reference -
1851
Harriet Hulley abt 1814 Efield, Yorkshire, England Nurse Ecclesfield, Yorkshire

Thanks, Sandra

Hi Sandra
I changed what was sister to what was on the image(nurse).She is a widow

1851 England Census
about Harriet Hulley
Name: Harriet Hulley
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Sister should read Nurse
Gender: Female
Where born: Efield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Town: Ecclesfield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wortley
Sub registration district: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Brown 18
Harriet Hulley 37
Harriet Kay 19
Benjn Macher Unwin 3
Frank Unwin 1
James Unwin 1wk
Joseph Unwin 35
Susanna Unwin 26
Esther Wood 25

Hi Jim, if I order the marriage certificate for Harriet will it still have her fathers name on it or is this information only on first marriages? The marriage certificate would validate Harriets father.

Sandra

Hi Sandra
Every marriage cert.that I have has a fathers name.
I have three marriage certs. for one ancestor,they all have father's name.However nothing can be guaranteed.

Hi Jim,

I hope you don't mind me coming back to this thread and asking for further help, but it is still nigling at me.

You found on the 1851 census Harriet living with her Sister. I am guessing this would actually be the the wife of James Unwin - namely Susannah Unwin. Therefore it ould seem logical that her maiden name would be Woolhouse. I can not find a Susannah Woolhouse on either ancestry or igi. I did wonder if Susannah had married twice and I did find a Susannah Machen but can not find a Susannah Woolhouse marrying any one called Machen. This is really bugging me now.

If you have the time to help I would really aprreciate it as I don't like leaving reasrch unresolved.

Sandra

But Sandra
I did not find Harriet with her sister!

1851 England Census
about Harriet Hulley
Name: Harriet Hulley
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Sister should read Nurse
Gender: Female
Where born: Efield, Yorkshire, England

Hi Jim,

Must have been having a senior moment. At least there is no point in trying to find Susannah Woolhouse. Problem Solved.

Thank you. Sandra