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Melster
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13 Jul 2008 14:32 |
Have looked at the free information but really need to know if he is listed as married/single or widow on the census and whether he is visiting this address.
Name: William Gregory Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Dawley, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Dawley County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address: Holly Hedge Education:
Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information. Occupation: Coal Miner Registration district: Madeley Sub registration district: Dawley ED, institution, or vessel: 1
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Should be married and living with wife and 2 children at this point in Pontefract, Yorkshire but is at home? .. definately him.
Thanks in advance.
Melanie
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Jeanette
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13 Jul 2008 14:41 |
he is unmarried
do you know there are 2 Gregory families on the same page?
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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13 Jul 2008 15:26 |
If you use the familysearch website to look at the 1881 you do get the relationships and can check out the neighbours easily - although you can't see the images.
Jill
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Melster
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13 Jul 2008 15:38 |
Thanks Jeanette
Madeley is riddled with Gregory's !! Its definately him as all the siblings and parents match and ages.
There is something not quite right with his childrens ages and the time of his marriage .. I smell a rat or a previous marriage. Later on grandchildren and nephews appear from nowhere and then dissapear.
Thanks again.
Melanie
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Jeanette
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13 Jul 2008 16:28 |
On 1881 he is definitely down as being unmarried if you are correct that it is definitely your William. However in 1891 he is still single living with his father George but his mother is now down as Hannah. In 1901 he is married to Mary A and still living in Shropshire.
What information do you have to verify who and when he married?
Jean
Take that back. You are right Jim - there are two William Gregorys. Have had another look and in 1891 the one not living with his parents George and Hannah is living with his wife Mary Jane in Shropshire.
Jean
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Melster
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13 Jul 2008 23:30 |
Thanks everyone .. this is what I know to date.
1871 Census Dawley, Salop (information taken from the son of Esther)
George .. Head .. 47 Sarah .. Wife .. 46 Richard .. son .. 20 Mary A .. Daur .. 15 William .. Son .. 12 *** Sarah .. Daur .. 9 John .. Son .. 6 Edward .. Son 4
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1891 Census Madeley, Salop (all family members known of)
William .. Head .. 34 Sarah .. Wife .. 31.................nee Smith William .. Son .. 12................born Madeley Mary Ann .. Daur .. 11............born Pontefract, Yorkshire Sarah .. Daur .. 9...................born Pontefract, Yorkshire Florence .. Daur .. 7...............born Pontefract, Yorkshire Esther Ellen .. Daur .. 2..........born Madeley
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1901 Census
Family moved to Pressall, Lancashire and is correct.
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There seems something fishy as I can find births for Mary Ann, Sarah and Florence as Gregory's in Pontefract for the relevant dates but can't find them on the 1881 census in Pontefract. There is also little I can find out in later life for these. They all dissappear after the 1891 census but would be of an age to leave home I suppose.
I have spent hours and the following names all have Mary, Sarah and Florence's born in Pontefract that would fit. Thinking along the lines that the eldest 4 children were from a previous marriage and that is why I can't find a marriage for William Gregory and Sarah 'Smith'.
Asquith Booth Brown Gregory ** Higgins Naylor Robinson Thompson Thornton Ward Wilson Wright
Wish me luck and any help gratefully received !!
Melanie
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Melster
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13 Jul 2008 23:44 |
Haved checked marriage with the above names and come up with zip !!
Think I am going to have to order a birth certificate .. which would be best ot go for .. one of the Pontefract children or a child born later do you think.
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Melster
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14 Jul 2008 22:14 |
Hi Jim
Both William Gregory's were born the same quarter (Dec) and year 1858 .. one in 'Wem' (Wollerton one) and the other in 'Madeley' but on the 1861 census the ages are shown 2 years apart.
I disscounted the following one because the age did not match
... And the correct 1861 William Gregory John,Ann abt 1857 Wolterton, Shropshire, England Son Wollerton, Shropshire ...
Think there has been an error with the ages on the census but I hope not or my whole tree is wrong :-(
Melanie
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Melster
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14 Jul 2008 22:23 |
Hi Jim
Sorry to a pain but I cannot find this one on the 1861 Census .. can you give me anyone else in the family to help me find it.
And maybe 1861 Sarah Smith Thomas,Sarah abt 1860 Muxton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Aston, Staffordshire
thanks
Melanie
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Ivy
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15 Jul 2008 00:02 |
This one?
Name: Thomas Smith Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Muxton, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: New Hall St John County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England
Registration district: Market Drayton Sub registration district: Moreton Say ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 41 Household Members: Name Age Basit Smith 5 Elijah Smith 2 Robert Smith 11 Sarah Smith 43 Sarah Smith 1 Thomas Smith 53
Class: RG9; Piece: 1892; Folio: 102; Page: 8
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Melster
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15 Jul 2008 01:44 |
Thanks
The only name I can bring it up under is Basit which if you zoom in is actually Basil.
This looks very likely as Sarah is shown as born Aston Staffordshire so this would fit .. going to leave it now and come back later.
Thanks again.
Melanie
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Melster
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15 Jul 2008 16:49 |
Hi Jim
Thanks for all the help ...
I cannot bring up the 1871 census on genesreunited at all. Can see the record on Ancestry (can't see the rest) but when I search on GR I get nothing .. very strange.
Thanks
Melanie
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Melster
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17 Jul 2008 20:43 |
Just wanted to say a special HUGE thankyou to Jim for his posts above.
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Name: Thomas Smith Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Muxton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: New Hall St John County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England
Registration district: Market Drayton Sub registration district: Moreton Say ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 41 Household Members: Name Age Basit Smith 5 Elijah Smith 2 Robert Smith 11 Sarah Smith 43 Sarah Smith 1 Thomas Smith 53
Class: RG9; Piece: 1892; Folio: 102; Page: 8 .........................................................................
Have now found this re Muxton:
"Mucklestone, or Muccleston, is a small village on the side of a declivity, with a southern aspect, nine miles NW by W of Eccleshall, and four and a half miles NE of Market Drayton. Its parish is about six miles in length, and from one to two miles in breadth, extending along the borders of the counties of Salop and Stafford. Five of its townships, ***Aston***, Knighton, Mucklestone, Oakley and Winnington being in Staffordshire and the other four, Bearston, Dorrington, Gravenhunger and Woore, in Shropshire."
Riddle of Aston, Staffordshire solved and rellies found.
Thanks Jim
Melanie
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Melster
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12 Aug 2008 10:19 |
Just wanted to come back to this thread now I have got further along with my search. I have just received William and Sarah's marriage certificate and Jim you were right. The Smiths above are the correct ones.
Thanks again.
Melanie
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