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ChristineinPortugal
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2 Jul 2008 07:22 |
Sarah's parents after she left home.William King (grandson) is with them in 1871
1861 England Census about Charles Huttlestone Name: Charles Huttlestone Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: Braughin, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Hertford St Andrew County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Hertford Sub registration district: Hertford ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 130 Household Members: Name Age Charles Huttlestone 44 journeyman baker Charles G Huttlestone 17 Emma Huttlestone 38 Emma A Huttlestone 6 Walter S Huttlestone 3 William H Huttlestone 10
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 824; Folio: 42; Page: 23
1871 England Census about Charles Huddleston Name: Charles Huddleston Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: Brangham, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Broxbourne Ecclesiastical parish: Hoddesdon Town: Hoddesdon County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Ware Sub registration district: Hoddesdon ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 146 Household Members: Name Age Charles Huddleston 52 baker Emma Huddleston 51 Emma Huddleston 17 Walter Huddleston 14 99% COBBETT Martha Ware 3a 343 EDWARDS Charles George Ware 3a 343 <<GINN Sarah Ware 3a 343 <<HUTTLESTONE Charles Ware 3a 343
1881 England Census about Charles Huttlestone Name: Charles Huttlestone Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Braughin, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Gt Amwell County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address: Burford St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Baker Master Employing 2 Men Registration district: Ware Sub registration district: Hoddesdon ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joseph Chapman 18 Charles Huttlestone 62 Sarah Huttlestone 51 born Hoddesden William Huttlestone 19
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1399; Folio: 103; Page: 64;
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ChristineinPortugal
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2 Jul 2008 06:58 |
Transcription details of Sarah before her marriage to Reuben.
1841 England Census about Sarah Huttlestone Name: Sarah Huttlestone Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Gender: Female Where born: Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Braughin Hundred: Braughin County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: View Image Registration district: Bishops Stortford Sub registration district: Braughing Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Huttlestone 20 occ Baker Emma Huttlestone 20 Sarah Huttlestone 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 434; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Braughin; County: Hertfordshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 25; Page: 19; Line: 25;
1851 England Census about Sarah Susana Hutkeston Name: Sarah Susana Hutkeston Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Charles Mother's Name: Emma Gender: Female Where born: Braughing, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Braughing County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Bishop Stortford Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 85 Household Members: Name Age Anne Maria Hutkeston 10 Charles Hutkeston 34 occ journeymam baker Charles George Hutkeston 8 Emma Hutkeston 31 born Hertford James Alfred Hutkeston 5 Sarah Susana Hutkeston 11 William Henry Hutkeston 2 Mo Charles and all the children born Braughing
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1706; Folio: 605; Page: 26;
1861 England Census about Sarah Hatleston Name: Sarah Hatleston Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Braford, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Luton County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Luton Sub registration district: Luton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Agnes Allen 10 Anna Maria Allen 12 Edith Allen 38 Edith Allen 1 Elizabeth Allen 18 James Allen 38 Rosa Allen 14 Sarah Allen 16 Thomas Allen 3 William H Allen 8 Mo Caroline Burton 10 Rosehanah Emoney 22 Sarah Hatleston 21 occ, bonnet sewer
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1012; Folio: 6; Page: 5;
1871 England Census about Sarah King Name: Sarah King Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Gender: Female Where born: Brantingham, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: St Nicholas Deptford Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Town: Deptford County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Greenwich Sub registration district: St Nicholas Deptford ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 82 Household Members: Name Age Herbert King 8 Sarah King 31 William King 33 born Billingsford, Norfolk occ Miller
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 750; Folio: 9; Page: 13
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Janet 693215
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1 Jul 2008 23:11 |
There are still Huttlestone's living in Ware. I know two! (though one is by marriage)
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1 Jul 2008 22:42 |
Peejay.
It just shows the importance of getting marriage certs. Census info sometimes has a mother living with the family. Dont then assume the mothers surname must be the surname of the daughter . One of mine remarried when she was a lot older and it took me a while to realise
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1 Jul 2008 21:17 |
but you still really need to get the marriage cert to prove it.
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peejay
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1 Jul 2008 21:01 |
This is brilliant!! Thank you all so much for sharing your expertise with me - it would have taken me weeks to come up with this!
once again, many thanks
Paul
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1 Jul 2008 20:36 |
1891 Sarah Ovens Rubin abt 1834 Braughing, Hertfordshire, England Wife St George Hanover Square, London 1881 Sarah Ovens Francis R. abt 1841 Braughing, Hertfordshire, England Wife Ware, Hertfordshire 1871 Sarah King William abt 1840 Brantingham, Hertfordshire, England Wife St Nicholas Deptford, London 1861 Sarah Hatleston abt 1840 Braford, Hertfordshire, England Boarder Luton, Bedfordshire 1851 Sarah Susana Hutkeston Charles,Emma abt 1840 Braughing, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Braughing, Hertfordshire 1841 Sarah Huttlestone abt 1840 Hertfordshire, England Braughin, Hertfordshire birth Sarah Susanna Huttlestone 1839 Oct-Nov-Dec Bishops Stortford Essex, Hertfordshire
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1 Jul 2008 20:32 |
1891 Herbert Kings Sarah abt 1873 Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, England Stepson St George Hanover Square, London (should read 1863) 1881 Herbert King abt 1863 Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, England Nephew Edmonton, Middlesex 1871 Herbert King William,Sarah abt 1863 Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, England Son St Nicholas Deptford, London
So he is with his mother in 1891 and 1871
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ChristineinPortugal
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1 Jul 2008 20:17 |
It seems very possible that Sarah would have been married before as she was almost 40 when she married Reuben.
1891 England Census about Sarah Ovens Name: Sarah Ovens Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Rubin Gender: Female Where born: Braughing, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel Fenchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub registration district: Belgrave ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Herbert Kings 18 William Kings 20 Annie Ovens 10 Rubin Ovens 48 Sarah Ovens 57
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 75; Folio 110; Page 21
You need to buy the marriage cert to find out.
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ChristineinPortugal
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1 Jul 2008 20:01 |
This looks like Sarah Huttlestone with her parents
1871 England Census about Sarah Huttlestone Name: Sarah Huttlestone Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Sarah A Gender: Female Where born: Waltham Cross, Essex, England Civil Parish: Great Amwell Ecclesiastical parish: Hoddesdon Town: Hoddesdon County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: Ware Sub registration district: Hoddesdon ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 298 Household Members: Name Age Amy Huttlestone 4 Fred Huttlestone 5 months James Huttlestone 25 Sarah Huttlestone 2 Sarah A Huttlestone 23 William Huttlestone 5 William Huttlestone 26 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1349; Folio: 97; Page: 54;
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Marriages Jun 1865 (>99%) Back Sarah Ann Ware 3a 229 Huttlestone James Alfred Ware 3a 229 Meager Rebecca Ware 3a 229 Robinson William Ware 3a 229
You say that in 1891 stepsons in name of King are with them, could King be her 1st married name and Huttlestone her maiden name.?
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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1 Jul 2008 19:40 |
As you know Sarah King's age - from later censuses - have you tried to find her in earlier censuses?
Equally, have you looked for Sarah Huttlestone in earlier censuses?
Might be worth a try.
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1 Jul 2008 19:32 |
Hi all, I hope someone might be able to offer me some advice on a potential conflict of information.
I have a relative, Reuben Ovens (please see info below). Using census returns and Free BMD I think I've pieced together some of his history (I admit I haven't gone to the original birth , marriage and death certificates). However, there are three other trees on this site that have him married to someone else, a Sarah Huttlestone, not the Sarah King that I have. Nobody else seems to have any sources for the Ovens-Huttlestone liaison, and it looks as though they've got Sarah (the wife's) name from a neice that was staying with them.
This is the info I have about Reuben
This is what I know about Reuben Ovens
Born 1843 in Trowbridge, Wiltshire
1851 Census Living with mum Harriet
1861 census Living in Melksham with relatives
1871 census Lodging in Deptford. Occupation miller.
1872 Reuben marries (Greenwich Sep 1872 vol1d page 1188). On Free BMD the only other person on the page is Sarah King.
1881 census Francis R Ovens, living in Musley Hill, Ware. Occupation master baker. Living with wife Sarah and daughters Edith L, age 2, born in Middlesex, and Sarah Annie, 8 months, born in Ware. Also present is sarah Huttlestone, niece, aged 12, born in Waltham.
1891 census Reuben and Sarah, daughter Annie, born 1881 in Ware. Also present are step-sons William and Herbert King, from Hoddesdon
1901 census Reuben living in Croydon, miller and baker
Sep 1908 Francis Reuben Ovens dies in Croydon, aged 66
I think it is the same Reuben Ovens all the way through, sometimes using Francis, sometimes not.
Can anyone help?
Paul
If anyone can clarify the sitaution
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