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is it a Birth/Baptism or is it a marriage,
Shropshire: Montford, Clive, Sheriffhales, Hordley - Parish Registers, Lichfield Diocese
Marriages, 1802-1812.
Montford Parish Registers.
A Register for the Parrish of Monford, 1662.
County: Shropshire
Country: England
04 Dec 1727 Martha, d. of Edward & Mary Hinksman, of Monford bridge (b. 18 Nov 1727 ); Edward Hinksman, Mar: Farrington, Martha Young, susceptores bap.

Thank You I'm confused it's got to the parish stage not so much fun...
But it says Mary is the mother in the first bit dosen't it?, I think Edward was married to mary ferrington, that name appears there as well, there seems to be alot of names there for a birth..

And what dose this mean ""susceptores bap"" I know Baptism for bap

Surely the parents are Edward Hinksman and Mary Hinksman?

Susceptores appears to mean godparents (Google), So I wonder if sombody called Farrington and Martha Young were the godparents?

- or possibly three god parents, EH, MF and MY?

Could Mar: be Mary?

I was told as a child that a male child would have two godfathers and one godmother; a female child, one godfather and two godmothers.

Bondi

Please only post one thread for the same request.

You had answers to your original before you posted this - so we have all spent our time finding what has already been found!

Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!! Thank You didn't think of that, Ferrington is marys maiden name so it must be a relative of hers martha young could have been her sister thats her married name, & where it says "Edward Hinksman, Mar: Farrington" could that be stating their own marriage & ,martha Young is the god parent????????

Sorry didnt know it posted twice my connection is slow maybe hit it twice I'll fix it now

~♥*Louise*♥~

Today at 13:48

looks like a baptism to me
Born 18/11/1727 and then baptised 4/12/1727

Martha Young is a sponsor (Godparent)

maybe it's saying that Edward was married to Mary in Farrington

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Keith in Fujairah


Today at 13:53

Susceptores is Godparents. So Louise is correct.
This site will give you some latin translations:-
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/RG/guide/WLLatin.ASP

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Thank You Everyone Very Helpful x

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Thanks for transferring the info - I was a bit anxious that you had deleted it when I saw that the other thread had disappeared!

It's all too easy to post twice by mistake - I've done it before when anwering a query.

thought I'd get on it asap....

Why Is the birth record in "Marriages, 1802-1812.
Montford Parish Registers." & not the usual?

I'm full of questions tonight

Did you find in on Ancestry? I have found several where the heading says marriages or even burials but have baptisms listed.

The baptism is also on the IGI but without the godparents.

There is also this baptism and death:

EDWARD HINKSMAN Pedigree

Christening: 18 AUG 1734 Montford, Shropshire, England

Death: 22 SEP 1734

Parents:
Father: EDWARD HINKSMAN Family
Mother: MARY

Putting this into Google:

Shropshire: Montford, Clive, Sheriffhales, Hordley - Parish Registers, Lichfield Diocese

takes one to Amazon where a CD by Ancestry is offered for sale.

I think, from memory, that although parish registers had to be kept, there was no requirement for quite a long time that different types of events had to be kept in separate registers.

[Edit: Potty, you're absolutely right, it is taken from ancestry - compare this entry:

Shropshire: Montford, Clive, Sheriffhales, Hordley - Parish Registers, Lichfield Diocese
Marriages, 1802-1812.
Montford Parish Registers.
A Register for the Parrish of Monford, 1662.
County: Shropshire
Country: England
17 Oct 1734 Elizabeth, d. of John & Sarah Gough, of Monford bridge (b. 16 Oct 1734 ); Joseph Heath, Mary Hinksman, Esther Tate, sureties bap. ]

yes it from Ancestry,
so in the one Ivy put in Mary Hincksman is a godparent.

I have another confusing (for me!) one,

Shropshire: Montford, Clive, Sheriffhales, Hordley - Parish Registers, Lichfield Diocese
Marriages, 1802-1812.
Montford Parish Registers.
A Register for the Parrish of Monford, 1662.
County: Shropshire
Country: England
29 Jul 1744 Martha, natural d. of Mary Price, servant in ye Parish, by Edw. Hinksman, shoemaker, in Ruiton bap.

Is this saying Mary Price had a child to Edward Hincksman??

And would this be another child called Martha or is it the same child getting Baptised again 20yrs later

Shropshire: Astley, Withington, Stirchley, Uffington, Ruyton-in-the-Eleven-Towns, Leebotwood, Longnor - Parish Registers, Lichfield Diocese
Uffington Marriage Register from 1754.
Register de Ruiton.
Salop.
County: Shropshire
Country: England
30 Sep 1741 Martha, d. of Edward & Mary Hinksman bap.

I'd say that the wording just after Lichfield Diocese on each of these entries is completely misleading and to be ignored.

These last two entries both appear to be baptisms, the earliest in 1741 in Ruiton parish; the baptism in 1744 (in Monford parish, the register beginning from 1662 after the restoration of the monarchy) may be a second baptism three years later for the same child, but on the other hand there may be two different children called Martha and two mothers called Mary. You would need to try to trace further mentions of Martha Price/Hinksman through marriage/wills/burial registers.

Ok, Dose this one mean Mary Price is the mother & the father is Edward what is meant by the "BY Edw" or is it saying that he was the employer of the said mary price..

A Register for the Parrish of Monford, 1662.
County: Shropshire
Country: England
29 Jul 1744 Martha, natural d. of Mary Price, servant in ye Parish, by Edw. Hinksman, shoemaker, in Ruiton bap.

The Regiester booke According to a late Act of Parliament Intituled for burieng in woollen

Dose this mean that they were burried in Wool??

Ivy omits another very common possibility - that there is one mother Mary, and two children named Martha. I've come across multiple instances of this - in all these cases the first Martha died before the second Martha was baptized.

I agree mgnv, that is another possibility - the burial register entries in the two parishes may help here.

Bondibaby, "natural daughter" of a woman often means that the mother was unmarried - "by Edward" indicates the likely father of the child. I think if the baptism register was to indicate her employer (and they rarely do), it would have been more likely to say "servant ... of Edward"

"Buried in wool" - the shroud in which the body was wrapped had to be made of wool, unless the family paid for the privilege of using some other material. See this extract from a RootsWeb reply in 2004:

"The burial in Wool Act 1677 may be found on my Acts pages at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....cts/actind.htm

It was one of a number of such Acts between 1660 and 1680 which remained in force until 1814. The legislation was generally ignored from around 1770.
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Another comment on that 2004 thread read:

"I was ploughing through some Oxfordshire registers the other day and was struck by the way the local gentry all declined to be buried in wool and paid up instead. This is, of course, the way the textbooks say it should be.

Apparently the money went into the parish poor fund and people tended to look upon well-to-do people who were buried in wool as miserly and evading their responsibilities to the poor."