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I have two marrages one year apart as follows ,
Oliver Carey married Rebecca Knight J-S 1855 Dist Lambeth 1d 489...
and
Oliver Carey married Rebecca Knight J-S 1856 Pancras London Middlesex 1b 100..
In 1851 Oliver was a soldier with the Coldstream Guards living at Tower Within Middlesex and Rebecca was a servant in St Pancras Middlesex.
Their first son James was born in 1855 London Middlesex .
I have no fathers name for either of them.
Does anyone know which area would be the most likely please or do you think it would be safer to order both certificates ?
Thanks Kim

as Oliver was a soldier it may be he married without permission of his Commanding Officer so had to remarry again a year later with the permission given. as their son was born 1855 I would get the first cert. BUT then again my curiosity would make me get both certs!!!

As you dont have any parents for them you cant know which one would be right .would be interesting to compare both certs

Shirley

Oliver Carey is not a common name so like Shirley I'd want to order both certs

this is the only one coming up on family search

OLIVER CAREY

Marriages:
Spouse: REBECCA KNIGHT Family
Marriage: 19 AUG 1856 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

Thanks Shirley and Claire , there are two on Ancestry. I didn,t realise he would need permission , they may have married "in a hurry" the first time round .
Will send for both .
PS Yes thats the family .
Kim

I see from the 1861 Rebbecca was born Bentworth Hampshire c1822 I think you need Parish records to see her baptism to establish her parents names,cant see how you can decide otherwise which marriage cert is correct if the fathers differ on each .

will take a look on the 1841 tho to see if she there

even that doesnt help cos shes not at home!!

Name: Rebecca Knight
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Bentworth
Hundred: Bermondspit (Upper Half)
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Alton
Sub registration district: Alton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rebecca Knight 20


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 385; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Bentworth; County: Hampshire; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 5; Page: 5; Line: 8; GSU roll: 288792.


See you have decided to get both certs. If they tally then your ok if not its finding her on the parish records for her family

Shirley

Thanks Shirley that would be great , her mother Ann wasn,t married .I have Olivers brothers marrage certificate which shows no father so I,m just hoping that maybe Oliver knew who he was .
Have to go out for a while but will check back later .
Kim

What a small world, in 1851 Oliver was working at the Tower along with my daughter's 3XG Grandad

I'm busting a gut to get to the National Archives at Kew but for now it's going to have to wait

Ok , I now have the 2 certificates .First one is for 25 th September 1855 , Oliver Carey and Rebecca Knight , full age , batch and spinster .. occupation soldier ,Residence Waterloo Rd ..
Marrage took place at St Johns Church in the parish of ( think it says Waterloo) surrey..
2nd says
Same names, same age , same occupation , same fathers name for the groom , residence Judd St,
Marrage took place on 19th August 1856 , St Pancras Church Middlesex .
The only difference in the info is the brides father in the first certificate names him as Thomas Phillips , on the second its Thomas Knight ... husbands father is the same on both certificates.
Seems he didn,t get permission for the first marrage , or has anyone any other ideas as to why they would marry twice ??
Sorry should have added PLEASE ??
Just got a bit over excited !!
Kim

Not sure if Rebecca's mum ever married.
1881(with the Carey's)
Ann Knight abt 1799 Lower Weald, Hampshire, England Mother in Law New Windsor, Surrey
1871
Ann Knight abt 1798 Weald, Hampshire, England Visitor St Michael, Hampshire
1861
Ann Knight abt 1799 Wield, Hampshire, England Servant Winchester St Mary Kalender, Hampshire
1851
Ann Knight abt 1796 Wield, Hampshire, England Visitor Winchester St Mary Kalender, Hampshire
1841
Ann Knight abt 1798 Hampshire, England St Mary Kalendar, Hampshire

Thanks for replying Jim , thats what I have , Rebeccas Mum is always shown as unmarried in the census returns .
I think these two marrages belong to one couple though , Olivers father is shown as James Carey , labourer on both ..
I think Rebecca just wanted to appear legitimate on the second marrage ...
She was marrying a coldstream guard , again ! ..
LOL
Think it may be one of those questions that will never have an answer , but at least Oliver (hopefully) knew who his father was .. that was my main aim .. his brother was my GG Grandfather and his marrage cert shows no father ..
Got a James Carey now !!
Kim

lol Kim, they liked wedding cake!

LOL Claire !! Know what?
think I may have inherited that trait..:)))))
I love the Carey,s , everytime you think you, ve got somewhere , they throw a blinder at you ...
I now have 2 marrage certificates for one couple to add to my collection . Brilliant !!
Kim xxx

Kim

If you can one day, get to the records office and take a look at the parish register entries for both marriages - there may be a note to explain the second one. I had a couple who married twice and it turned out the first one was void because he banns wernt read properly.

Kim
Jacqui may have your answer -
I am married twice to the same man - Banns were never read. We went to church each week to hear them - they never did them, was too close the the wedding date to cancel everything. So we had the wedding with all the guests and then had a service at the church after our honey moon.

Thanks Jacqui ..would they have been told their first marrage was invalid ?
Not sure how it works but going to London later in the year , have a list as long as my arm of things to do there ...
Seems strange how her Fathers name changes from Philips to Knight within a year ..
Kim

Gossip Girl , thanks , Not sure , both certs say .. after Banns and it was 11 months later ..
But you could be right , would Rebeccas fathers change of name mean anything , 1st cert Thomas Philips , second Thomas Knight ?
Kim

Thanks Jean , have just checked and apparently records for the guards including Coldstream are still held at their HQ , so I will contact them and see what they have ..
Kim