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Looking for any relatives of the Rimmer or Molden family. John Molden was a pork butcher from Scotlnd Rd area. Jane Rimmer his daugher had a hand cart close to the Gem cinima ,off Hornby St .John Molden was originally from Bulware St Everton, but moved to Latimer St above a butchers shop.There was a large family ie lizzie Ann, Jane ,John ,George, Henry ,Annie,Maggie and Nellie. Sara Molden,Wife of John Molden, was said to have been in the Carmalite Convent before getting married. There were too many of them to just vanish. If you knew of this family please answer, or knock three times HA HA .Thanks a lot Margaret

As you neglected to give any idea of time-scale, I thought it would be helpful to try to find out when these people were around..............is this one of them?

Name: Elisabeth Rimmer
Year of Registration: 1918
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Molden
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 2

Reg

Hi Reggi, This sounds like one of them. Do you know the first name of Elisabeth Rimmers mother?The information I have is John Molden and Sarah Ann Molden nee Lewis were married in St Saviours church Everton 6th aug 1893.She was 23 he20.Her address is ,60 Bulware st,same as his.I think this was his family home I am trying to find where she lived prior to this I think Elisabeth is a granddaughter of Sarah and John Molden The Carmalite Convent are trying to trace Sarah, but say she wont be on file if she wasnt there for long regards Margaret

To find out the mother's forename you would need to purchase the cert.

Reg

this is the pork butcher
1891
John Molton George,Eliza abt 1873 Borny; Hay, Staffordshire, England Son Everton, Lancashire
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The Jones are inlaws
1901 England Census
about John Molton
Name: John Molton
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Stoneycroft All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 119
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jones 19
Sarah Jones 53
William Jones 53
Winifred Jones 16
Alice Molton 6
George Molton 1
John Molton 26
John Molton 4
Sally Molton 2
Sarah Ann Molton 28

marriage
Sarah Ann Lewis 1893 Jul-Aug-Sep West Derby Lancashire

John Molton 1893 Jul-Aug-Sep West Derby Lancashire

So.......had Sarah been married before??

Reg

Thanks for the info Reggie and Jim, it dose fill part of the puzzle,but still no answer as to where Sara Ann lived before she got married.I dont think she had been married before, because she was only 23 and was said to have been in the Carmolite Convent before getting married .It must have been Sara Jones, the mother of Sara Ann Lewis who was married twice.So Sarah Ann Lewis must have been the only child in her mothers first marriage. Am i getting this right? The only other knowlege of Sarah Ann is she came from up country and her mother smoked a clay pipe.How on earth can i f ind out more about her and her father HELP Margaret

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Exactly that. There was a posting on the tread that has been deleted.

This is just my take on Sarah Ann Lewis and will need verifying.
Her Mother
1851
Sarah Lewis James,Margret abt 1848 Guilsfield, Montgomeryshire, Wales Daughter Llanerchydol, Montgomeryshire
1861
Sarah Lewis James,Margt abt 1847 Guilsfield, Montgomeryshire, Wales Daughter Llanerchydol and Welchpool, Montgomeryshire
1871
Sarah Lewis James,Margeret abt 1847 Guilsfield Daughter Lower Pool, Montgomeryshire
she has a daughter Sarah 11 months
marriage
Sarah Lewis 1872 Oct-Nov-Dec Llanfyllin
Thomas Summerfield
death
Thomas Summerfield abt 1847 1874 Oct-Nov-Dec Forden
marriage
William Jones 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec Forden Montgomeryshire, Shropshire
Sarah Summerfield
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So we have Sarah Ann Lewis 1870 who becomes
1881 Wales Census
Name: Sarah Summerfield
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Step Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Pool
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Golfa
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Forden
Sub-registration district: Welshpool
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Jones
Sarah Jones 32
William Jones 32
John Summerfield 5
Sarah Summerfield 10
Thomas Summerfield 6

These are the same Jones as inlaws in 1901
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1891 England Census
about Sarah Jones
Name: Sarah Jones
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Guilsfield; Welshpool

Civil Parish: Bicton
Ecclesiastical parish: Oxon
Town: Cran Meole
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Atcham
Sub-registration district: St Chad
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Jones 8
Margaret Jones 10
Mary Jones 9
Sarah Jones 43
William Jones 42
Winfred Jones 6
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You will notice that their name is MOLTON not MOLDEN and may explain why you cannot find them.

A big thank you Jim in Soton I dont know how you do it,but im so glad you can The name has changed a few times since i started the tree. On my mothers marriage certificate her father war John Molden on his marriage certificate he was Molton further down the line the family were Moulton. Rumour has it they were of German decent and changed the name to avoid internment. I dont know if this is true,I suppose ill never know iv had so many problems sorting them out in this country I would probably end up in la la land finding them in another country Dont you think? Margaret