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Oh dear Potty it does sound like I'm in for a long one then.

Gypsyjoe

Joe

From my experience of irish families (I have one in my tree), they never knew their ages, never registered their kids and changed their names on every census.

Good luck

The 1871 family is definately not them the 1881 family is. I worked out theDOB etc going back from using marriage and censuses.

I did find myself in Ireland a John Foley marrying and Ellen but the surname was different to the one on the birth certificate.

Thanks for your help anyway guys, I guess I'll get there eventually.

Gypsyjoe

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Found this family in 1871
1871 England Census
about John Foley
Name: John Foley
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: St Mary Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Goodmans Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Foley 41
Johannah Foley 8
John Foley 42
Mary Foley 10
Michael Foley 13
Patrick Foley 6

I know the ages are out but there is this possible marriage:

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)

CONNOR John Whitechapel 1c 796
FOLEY John Whitechapel 1c 796
HOOLEY Bridget Whitechapel 1c 796
MCCARTHY Ellen Whitechapel 1c 796

So, this is the family in 1881:
1881 England Census
about Patrick Foley
Name: Patrick Foley
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Wapping
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: Chamber Sqr 8
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Shadwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Foley 45
Ellen Foley 2
James Foley 8
Jeremiah Foley 8
John Foley 49
John G. Foley 4
Patrick Foley 11
Silvester Foley 4
Emma Hurbard 22


Can't find then in 1871

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=9173135&_charset_=utf-8&bcd=%C3%B7&scs=1&pageid=r&query=JOHN+FOLEY+MARRIAGE&mode=Find+pages+matching+ALL+words
ADD ELLEN
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?oq=JOHN+FOLEY+MARRIAGE&id=9173135&pageid=r&_charset_=utf-8&bcd=%C3%B7&scs=1&query=JOHN+FOLEY+MARRIAGE+ELLEN&Find=Search&mode=ALL&search=all

LL I DID GOOGLED

JOHN FOLEY MARRIAGE ELLEN IN KERRY

Ooops would apear so..

Patrick Foley
Sept Quart 1869
Whitechapel
Vol 1C, pg 379

I have the certificate. I also have his marriage Certificate. It's his parents marriage I'm trying to find. On the censuses it has them as being born in Ireland. Patrick and two sets of twin brothers and a sister Ellen. I might just have to get some of those birth certificates as well to help narrow it down.

Gypsy joe

Joe

I am confused - I thought the birth cert was for a Foley, father John mother Ellen!!

Are you mixing up your threads?

The birth reference for May Eliza Ellis is Sept 1874, Poplar, 1C, pg574

But how would you view that? I have the copy of the birth certificate and if I have my own computer and a scanner I would scan and send a copy, but I'm using the services at at internet cafe.

I'm definately thinking her mother is Ann Shillcock now.

Gypsyjoe

Post some dates Joe. Which census have you found the family on and what is the ref for the birth cert?

Thanks Louisa

Hi joe,

You may get lucky here

http://mayo.brsgenealogy.com/index.php?&set=yes

Good Luck, Louisa

Thanks Potty,

I know that according to the censuses that both John and Ellen were born in Ireland. My great grandfathers birth certificate Ellen was formerly it looks to be McCarty. His occupation was a wharf labourer.

I did think that there might have been more than one Patrick Foley to a John and Ellen but I can only find the one, which I'm guessing means I have the right ones.

If anyone can help that would be great, I guess it's time to conceed and ask for help.

Gypsyjoe

Joe

If they are on the 1911 census when it comes out, there POBs might help to trace them in Ireland.

What is the date of the birth cert you mention?

Have you already asked for help to find the marriage?

If not, post details of the birth cert and I am sure somebody will help

Thanks Jacqui too bad they'd come to England by that stage.

I'll just have to give up that branch for now I guess.

Gypsyjoe

Unfortuntely Joe there is no official online BMD index for Ireland.
The only thing we can do is what you have already done and trawl the sites others have placed info on.

On a brighter note The Irish National Archives website are publishing the 1911 census county by county and Kerry is next on the list.

Jacqui
With a Kerry Gran

I think this is the end!!!!

I can't find a record for a John Foley and an Ellen except Conner. According to the birth certificate that it's not that last name.I I can't really read her surname but it looks a bit like McCarty.

I know there are lots and lots of posts on this site for Irish links; the thing is unless you plan on spending hours crawling through them all and trying them, then it's a bit useless. Not that I haven't already gone through a number of the posts and links and have now got fed up because none were of any help or at least I didn't find what I was after.

I am trying to find a link that will let me search for BDM in Ireland.

So can anyone please, please, please point me in the right direction?

The County is Kerry. I can't afford to pay someone to research and not only that I like discovering these things myself.

Gypsyjoe