Genealogy Chat

dear brenda , sorry , i don't know , on her 2 daughter's birth certs her m/s is just given as espinosa . 1st child was emma b 4th dec 1865 ,2nd was georgina matilda b 16 th april 1868 . got death cert today died 6th dec 1877 , age 40 , no m/s given just wife of john southall . births and death all hammersmith . thankyou for your interest , angela

angela,
Was there another name after (or before)Espinosa,as in Spain,they take two surnames, father's name first,followed by mother's name.

dear louise , thankyou very much , looks like i'll need to give up on this particular relative . first sighting i have for her is her 1st child's birth cert ,nothing before that . name is mary ann southall m/s espinosa b 1840c in spain . again , thankyou for your time , angela

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport


The term 'passport' most probably originates not from sea ports, but from medieval documents required to pass through the gate ('porte') of city walls. In medieval Europe, such documents could be issued to any traveller by local authorities and generally contained a list of towns and cities through which the holder was permitted to pass. This system continued in France, for example, until the 1860s. During this time, passports were often not required for travel to seaports, which were considered open trading points, but were required to travel from them to inland cities. Early passports often, but not always, contained a physical description of the holder, with photographs being added only in the early decades of the 20th century, as photography became cheaper and more widespread.

Before World War I, passports were not widely used for international travel, and in most areas, few people had one. According to the website for Passport Canada, "The rising popularity of rail travel in the mid-19th century led to an explosion of tourism throughout Europe and caused a complete breakdown in the European passport and visa system. In answer to this crisis, France abolished passports and visas in 1861. Other European countries followed suit, and by 1914, passport requirements had been eliminated practically everywhere in Europe."[1] Crossing a border was usually very easy, and no supporting documentation or declarations were required. However, internal passports were commonly required for travel within a handful of countries, including the Ottoman Empire and tsarist Russia, where they were commonly held documents.

hi , can anyone help please , would a woman born in spain , married ( hopefully !) to an englishman , poss in spain , have needed a passport to come into england around early 1860's ? if so is there any way of finding an application or any info ? thankyou , angela