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that NOK address for Alfred John does rather seem to prove that he had left Annie

found by googling Frederick John Bailey

https://www.awm.gov.au/people/rolls/R2054757/

the image is at ...............

https://www.awm.gov.au/images/collection/items/ACCNUM_LARGE/RCDIG1067057/RCDIG1067057--477-.JPG


First World War Embarkation Rolls:

Frederick John Bailey
Service Number: 2135
Rank: Gunner
Roll title: 3 FAB [Field Artillery Brigade] (September 1914)
Conflict / Operation: First World War, 1914-1918
Date of embarkation: 20 October 1914
Place of embarkation: Adelaide
Ship embarked on: HMAT Medic A7

from image:-

Occupation:- Labourer
Address at date of enrollment:- Montacute P.O., South Australia
Next of Kin:- Alfred John Bailey, father, 34 Shipford Street, Shepherd's Bush, London, England

Is this Frederick's marriage in Australia???



South Australia Marriages 1842-1937

First name(s) Frederick John
Last name Bailey
Marital status Single/Spinster
Age 28
Birth year 1888
Marriage year 1916
Marriage date 27 Dec 1916
Place Methodist Church Rosewater
District Port Adelaide
State South Australia
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) Alfred John
Father's last name Bailey
Spouse's first name(s) Grace Lewis
Spouse's last name Miell
Spouse's marital status Single/Spinster
Spouse's age 29
Spouse's birth year 1887
Spouse's father's first name(s) Isaac
Spouse's father's last name Miell
Registration number 269/789
Notes Additional information is on the certificate but not recorded in this index
Record set South Australia Marriages 1842-1937
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Australia & New Zealand


and is this his service in WW1?


Australian Imperial Force Nominal Roll 1914-1918

First Name Frederick John
Last Name Bailey
Service Number 2135
Rank Gunner
Unit Or Regiment Fld A AmbColm
Enlistment Date 19 Aug 1914
Year of Enlistment 1914
Non Effect Date 17 Sep 1915
Fate Returned to Australia
Record set Australian Imperial Force Nominal Roll 1914-1918
Category Armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Australia & New Zealand

Is this Frederick leaving for Australia??

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Frederick Bailey
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 19 Jan 1912
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Adelaide, Australia
Ship Name: Orvieto
Search Ship Database: Search for the Orvieto in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Orient Line
Official Number: 129628
Master: W S Shelford

from image:-

travelling 3rd class
Occupation:- Carpenter

I don't want to believe this, but .........................


1911 Census

Name: Alfred Bailey
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Pancras <<<<<<<<<,, it actually says Hammersmith on the image
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Search Photos: Search for 'St Pancras' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 147 Gloucester Road, St Pancras
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 16
Estimated Marriage Year: 1895
Registration district: St Pancras
Registration District Number: 9
Sub-registration district: West St Pancras
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 681

Alfred Bailey 47 Pianoforte Maker
Florence Bailey 39 b.ca 1872, St Pancras, London
Arthur C Bailey 2 mnths

???? Frederick with his mother and siblings in 1901 and 1911

Annie says she is married, but is working as a Charwoman in 1901, and no sign of Alfred John


1901 Census

Name: Frederick Bailey
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Mother: Annie Bailey
Birth Place: Hammersmith, London, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Search Photos: Search for 'Hammersmith' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 13

Piece: 47
Folio: 40
Page Number: 26
Household schedule number: 202

Annie Bailey 36 b.ca 1865, City, London, Charwoman
Frederick Bailey 13
Amy Lila Bailey 11
Annie Char Bailey 9
Agnes Beat Bailey 7
Alfred John Bailey 2

Address:- 21 Tabor Rd


1911 Census

Name: Frederick John Bailey
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Search Photos: Search for 'Hammersmith' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 18 St Stephens Avenue, Shepherds Bush W
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: CARPENTERS LABOURER
Registration district: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 198

Annie Bailey 46 b.ca 1865, London
Frederick John Bailey 23
Annie Charlotte Bailey 19 Electric Lamp Maker
Agnes Beatrice Bailey 17 Electric Lamp Maker
Alfred John Bailey 12 Scholar
Albert Edward Bailey 6 Scholar


Annie had been married 28 years, had 9 children, 7 still alive, 2 had died

Nellie's baptism

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Nellie Bailey
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1884
Father's name: Alfred John Bailey
Mother's name: Annie Bailey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint John the Evangelist, Hammersmith
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-

Address:- 43 Cambridge Road
Father occupation:- Cabinet Maker


I can't yet find baptisms for the other children

You are so good I have no idea how to find this Thank you Thank you so much

Alfred John's marriage entry

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name: Alfred John Bailey
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 20
Birth Date: 1863
Marriage Date: 3 May 1883
Marriage Place: Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Father: Thomas Yate Bailey
Spouse: Annie Middleditch
FHL Film Number: 1966295


Name: Annie Middleditch
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 20
Birth Date: 1863
Marriage Date: 3 May 1883
Marriage Place: Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Father: Frederick Middleditch
Spouse: Alfred John Bailey
FHL Film Number: 1966295
Reference ID: Pg 191
Reference ID: Pg 191

Alfred's baptism ................

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Alfred John Bailey
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 17 Nov 1863
Baptism Date: 21 Dec 1863
Baptism Place: Old Church,Saint Pancras,London,England
Father: Thomas Tale Bailey
Mother: Charlotte
FHL Film Number: 598173, 598174, 598175


and baptisms of 2 of his siblings

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Thomas William Bailey
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1861
Baptism Date: 25 Jul 1861
Baptism Place: Old Church,Saint Pancras,London,England
Father: Thomas Bailey
Mother: Charlotte
FHL Film Number: 598173, 598174, 598175



Name: Charles Frederick Bailey
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 Jan 1866
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1866
Baptism Place: Old Church,Saint Pancras,London,England
Father: Thomas Tate Bailey
Mother: Charlotte
FHL Film Number: 598175

Alfred with his parents in 1881

1881 Census

Name: Alfred J. Bailey
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Thomas T. Bailey
Mother: Charlot Bailey
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 9 York Rd

Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 14

Piece: 57
Folio: 56
Page Number: 42

Thomas T. Bailey 40 b.ca 1841, Chearsley, Buckinghamshire
[Chieveley, Berkshire], Foreman in Pianoforte Maker
Charlot Bailey 39 b.ca 1842, St Pancras, Middlesex
Louise Bailey 21
Thomas W. Bailey 19
Alfred J. Bailey 17
Charles F. Bailey 15
Edward W.G. Bailey 12
Arthur J. Bailey 9
George E. Bailey 7
Walter J. Bailey 4
William T. Bailey 2
Alfred Kemmish 22 Lodger, Pianoforte small work maker

Brian ...........

one word of caution ..................

The details on your family have not yet been proved!

ie. you do not have any certificates or other documentation to prove parentage, birth dates, places, etc

We can only help you by finding the families on censuses, etc. You will have to prove it.


Alfred John in 1891, wife and children, including Frederick

1891 Census

Name: Alfred J Bailey
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Bailey
Gender: Male
Where born: Kings Cross, London, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 34

Piece: 40
Folio: 151
Page Number: 35

Alfred J Bailey 27 Pianoforte Maker
Annie Bailey 27 b.ca 1864, Lambeth, London
Nellie Bailey 7 b.ca 1884, Fulham, London, Scholar
Frederick Bailey 3 b.ca 1888, Hammersmith, London
Amy T Bailey 1 b.ca 1890, Hammersmith

Address:- 76 Cathnor Rd

Also living at the same address (obviously divided into flats or similar) .............

Name: Charlotte Bailey
Age: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 34

Piece: 40
Folio: 151
Page Number: 36

Charlotte Bailey 68 Widow, Living on own means
Charles F Bailey 24 b.ca 1867, St Pancras, London, Machinist
Arthur J Bailey 19 b.ca 1872, Hammersmith, London, Machinist
George E Bailey 17 b.ca 1874, Hammersmith, Tile Fixer
Walter J Bailey 14 b.ca 1877, Hammersmith
William Bailey 12 b.ca 1879, Hammersmith, Scholar
Victor H Bailey 9 b.ca 1882, Hammersmith, Scholar
Robert A Gray 27 Lodger, Tile Fixer

Now I know so much more thank You so much for your effort.
Alfred John Bailey is my Great, great Grand father. He also worked for Pianoforte. I know that Thomas was the foreman at Pianoforte, <3

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Thomas Tate Bailey
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1840
Baptism Place: Chieveley,Berkshire,England
Father: William Bailey
Mother: Lucy
FHL Film Number: 0254496, 0254498

This looks like Thomas in 1861, with Charlotte and his father (already posted above, but repeating here) .......

1861 Census

Name: Thomas Bailey
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Bailey
Gender: Male
Where born: Beeveley, Berkshire, England
[Chieveley, Berkshire, England]
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household schedule number: 456
Piece: 109
Folio: 66
Page Number: 55

Thomas Bailey 21 Pianoforte Maker
Charlotte Bailey 26 b.ca 1835, London, Middlesex
Louisa Bailey 1 b.ca 1860, St Pancras, Middlesex
William Bailey 63 b.ca 1798, Cheeveley, Berkshire, Widower


Address:- 43 George Street

These people are also shown as living with the Baileys, but they actually live next door at No. 44 George St .....

Thomas Weston 34 Lodger
Clara Weston 34 Lodger
Thomas Weston 10 Lodger
Clara Weston 5 Lodger

so ...................


just to check what you're saying, and what I am understanding. This si from a Public Family Tree on ancestry ............... we need to find the documentation to check it all out carefully, but it gives you and me an oversight ........


Thomas Tate Bailey

Birth OCTOBER 1839 • Chieveley, Berkshire

Death OCT 1890 • Hammersmith / Fulham, London, England


Spouse

Charlotte Wilkins

Birth 26 OCTOBER 1841 • St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Death 10 OCT 1906 • Hammersmith, London, England

Children

Louisa Elizabeth Bailey 1859–1940

Thomas William Bailey 1861–1881

Alfred John Bailey 1863–1891

Charles Frederick Bailey 1866–

Edward William George Bailey 1869–

Arthur J. Bailey 1872–1942

George E. Bailey 1874–

Walter John Bailey 1876–1934

William Tate Bailey 1879–1951

Victor Hugo Bailey 1881–1952



Alfred John was born 17 November 1863, St Pancras, London



This tree shows Thomas Tate's parents as ............

Parents

William Bailey
1798–

Lucy Hobson
1800–


but nothing else about them

Thank you I am a complete novice with this and I find it very frustrating finding information. I appreciate and help I get.
My grandfather immigrated to Australia and the family here know very little of our past.

Brian

we know nothing of your family


we are just members of GR, like yourself, but we like to help others on the Boards with their searches. We use our knowledge of internet sites, other family history sites, etc to find out the information, or direct you to where you can search.

If you want us to help you, it would be better if you started your own thread, rather than piggy-back on an old thread.


You will have to try to send a message to Margaret, as advised by the 3 of us last night.

Thank you for the help. Can you tell me more of Thomas's children, I know my Great great grand father is Alfred but no more of Thomas and Charlotte's children. also William (Born 1798) and Margret (Gore) Bailey I know nothing about them.
Many thanks.

Brian ................


this is a very old thread, and we do not know if Margaret is still a member. GR also does not notify people of new posts on threads.

As Mark said, you would do better to send her a message through GR's internal system. They will then send her an email to say that a message is waiting. Then you have to hope that she still has the same email address that GR has on file, and / or that she is still active.


But will you please edit your post to remove your email address ........... this is not a safe site, and GR is known to delete posts that contain private email addresses.