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25 Jul 2014 12:21 |
Name: Annie Maria Eldred Spouse: James Harvey, occ. Waiter Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 8 Apr 1872 Parish: St Mark, Myddelton Square Borough: Islington Father Name: John William Eldred, Deceased Spouse Father: William Harvey, Horse Dealer Register Type: Parish Register
Residence for both 8 William Street
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25 Jul 2014 12:11 |
The residence given at the time of Annie Maria's baptism on 23 February 1852 is 9 Chaple Place.
I think it would be helpful to know how June got back to Elizabeth Harvey. That may help us find which Annie Maria Eldred is actually her mother.
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25 Jul 2014 10:59 |
Another thread here:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/940087
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25 Jul 2014 10:57 |
Yes, lots of info there, jax. All too confusing for me!
In case anyone feels like sifting through those other four pages of posts, June says there : "Elizabeth Harvey born 1884 chaple st st pancras"
So this is likely her birth:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Elizabeth Mary Harvey Name: Elizabeth Mary Harvey Registration Year: 1884 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Pancras Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 95
Also on that other thread, Batmansdaughter found this:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about James Harvey Name: James Harvey Age: Full Age Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Spouse Name: Annie Maria Eldred Spouse Age: Full Age Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 8 Apr 1872 Parish: St Mark, Myddelton Square County: London Borough: Islington Father Name: William Harvey Spouse Father Name: John William Eldred
His occupation was Waiter
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24 Jul 2014 19:38 |
May help there could be others
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1237162
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24 Jul 2014 12:27 |
June, you haven't said when Elizabeth was born. Can you let us know that, please?
And was it her birth cert which gave you the information that she was born in Bow?
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24 Jul 2014 12:07 |
So - I had jumped to the wrong conclusion that Annie Maria who married James Harvey was Thomas's daughter. Thomas's daughter was born 1851, per another version of the baptism record posted by rootgatherer:
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Anna Maria Eldred Name: Anna Maria Eldred Gender: Female Birth Date: 12 Dec 1851 Baptism Date: 23 Feb 1852 Baptism Place: Saint Anne Soho,Westminster,London,England Father: Thomas Ezra Eldred Mother: Anne Maria FHL Film Number: 918606, 918607, 918608
although it took them a while to register her birth: Births Mar 1852 (>99%) ELDRED Anne Maria St George Hanover Square 1a 182
Elizabeth's mother, Annie Maria Harvey nee Eldred was therefore, according to the censuses, born somewhere in London, possibly Mile End or Clerkenwell, 1853-5. Maybe this one?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Anne Maria Eldred Name: Anne Maria Eldred Registration Year: 1854 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Clerkenwell Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 473
BUT there's still no Elizabeth listed with the family in the censuses I posted earlier. Maybe I've picked up on a different Harvey family.
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24 Jul 2014 11:43 |
Name: Anna Maria Eldred Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 23 Feb 1852 Father's Name: Thomas Ezra Eldred, occ. Shirt Maker Mother's name: Annie Maria Eldred Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster St Anne Soho Borough: Westminster Register Type: Parish Registers
1871
1871 England Census about Ann Maria Eldred Name: Ann Maria Eldred Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Eldred Mother's name: Jane Maria Eldred Gender: Female Where born: Pemlico Civil Parish: St Mary Newington Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 25 Piece: 615 Folio: 130 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Eldred 41 Jane Maria Eldred 46 <<<<Anne on image Ann Maria Eldred 19 Alfred James Eldred 13 Elanor Louisa Eldred 11 Alice Maud Eldred 8 Florence Ada 5
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24 Jul 2014 11:36 |
1881
Name: Annie Maria Thompson Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 [1852] Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: George Frederick Thompson Gender: Female Where born: Pimlico Civil Parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 133 Vassall Rd Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Kennington Second ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 608 Folio: 77 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age George Frederick Thompson 31, bankers clerk Annie Maria Thompson 24 George Victor Thompson 6 Lucy Eugenie Thompson 5 Harold Eldred Thompson 1
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24 Jul 2014 11:32 |
There is this marriage
Name: Annie Maria Eldred Spouse: George Frederick Thompson Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 7 Feb 1874 Parish: St James, Holloway Borough: Islington Father Name: Thomas Ezra Eldred, occ. Gentleman Spouse Father: Henry Thompson, occ. Reporter Register Type: Parish Register
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24 Jul 2014 09:51 |
hi YOU ASKED IF I HAD ELIZABETH MARY HARVEY BITH CT TO BE SURE IT WAS ANNIE MERIA HARVEY WAS HER MOTHER YES I HAVE SEEN IT AGAIN IT S ANNIE MERIA ELDRED BORN 1864 THANK YOU JUNE THERE WAS ANOTHER ANNIE MERIA ELDRED BORN ESSEXI DONT KNOW IF SHE WAS RELATED I THINK SHE RAN A OFFICE LICENCE HARE AND HOUND I WONDERED IF SHE COULD BE RELATED JUNE WELLSMAN
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23 Jul 2014 21:46 |
June, do you have Elizabeth's birth certificate? Do you know for sure that Annie Eldred was her mother?
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23 Jul 2014 21:15 |
I don't see a daughter named Elizabeth Mary - perhaps she was a niece of Annie & James??.
1901 England Census about Annie Harvey Name: Annie Harvey Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: James Harvey Birth Place: Mile End, London, England Civil Parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Barnsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 182 Folio: 85 Page Number: 20 Household schedule number: 117 Household Members: Name Age James Harvey 48 Annie Harvey 46 Edward Harvey 19 Robert Harvey 19 Lilly Harvey 14 Amy Harvey 13 Charles Harvey 11
1891 England Census about Annie Harvey Name: Annie Harvey Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Harvey Gender: Female Where born: Mile End Civil Parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Regent ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 116 Folio: 148 Page Number: 57 Household Members: Name Age James Harvey 38 Annie Harvey 36 James Harvey 11 Edward Harvey 9 Robert Harvey 7 Lily Harvey 4 Amy Harvey 3 Charles Harvey 1
1881 England Census about Annie Harvey Name: Annie Harvey Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: James Harvey Gender: Female Where born: Clerkenwell Civil Parish: Clerkenwell County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 78 Margaret St Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: Amwell ED, institution, or vessel: 7b Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 351 Folio: 9 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age James Harvey 30 Annie Harvey 28 J.W. Harvey 9 F.W. Harvey 6 A. G. Harvey 3
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23 Jul 2014 21:06 |
Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%) Eldread Annie Maria Holborn 1b 920 Eldred Annie Maria Holborn 1b 920 HARVEY James Holborn 1b 920
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23 Jul 2014 21:05 |
Thomas's daughter Annie, whom June says was Elizabeth Mary's mother:
1861 England Census about Thomas E Eldred Name: Thomas E Eldred Age: 30 Estimated birth year: 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Anne M Eldred Gender: Male Where born: M Clapton, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Newington St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: Walworth St Peter County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Newington Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 82 Piece: 339 Folio: 114 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Thomas E Eldred 30 Anne M Eldred 36 Anne M Eldred 9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< William R Eldred 7 Alfred I Eldred 3 Eleanor L Eldred 1 Ann Hoggard 73 - lodger
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23 Jul 2014 20:59 |
1851 England Census about Thos E Eldred Name: Thos E Eldred Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Shirt-maker's Apprentice <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Male Where born: Clapton, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Westminster St James County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St James Westminster Sub-registration district: St Jamess Square ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 272 Piece: 1484 Folio: 300 Page Number: 60 Household Members: Name Age Henry Walen 41 - master shirt maker Thos E Eldred 20 Alfred Foster 17 - shirt maker's journeyman Arthur R May 15 - errand boy Thos Lee 19 - porter Elizabeth Boulter 27 - house servant Lydia Eldred 18 - house servant
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23 Jul 2014 20:58 |
1881 England Census about Thomas C. Eldred Name: Thomas C. Eldred [Thomas E. Eldred] Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Alice Eldred Gender: Male Where born: Upper Clapton, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Newington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 38 Beresford St Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Hosiers Assistant Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 9a Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 540 Folio: 84 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Thomas C. Eldred 50 Alice Eldred 41 Eleanor L. Eldred 21 Alice M. Eldred 18
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23 Jul 2014 20:57 |
For our reference, this looks like Thomas. He's a hosier's assistant.
1891 England Census about Thos E Eldred Name: Thos E Eldred [Thomas Ezra Eldred] Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Alice Eldred Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, London, England Civil Parish: Newington St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 356 Folio: 116 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Thos E Eldred 60 Alice Eldred 51 Rosa L Eldred 8
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23 Jul 2014 20:57 |
An idea of when this was may help to answer your question June.
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23 Jul 2014 20:52 |
elizabeth mary harvey used to iron shirts that were put in to glas show casse was this for her grandfather or uncle thomas ezra eldred who worked as a shirt maker in the west end of london thanks june wellsman
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