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I need help. I am trying to find the correct parents for Martha Hannah Sutcliffe born 27th May 1887 in Halifax. I have found the right family on the census for 1891. at 27 Lombard Street Halifax, her correct siblings are James Martha and Clara. Her father is William sutcliffe age 39 so Birth around 1852 in halifax and her mother is Mary Hannah Sutcliffe also 39 so same year of birth, on that census. However I cannot find a marriage that matches for a William Sutcliffe and a Mary Hannah( so can't find Mary's maiden name) I have only found one wedding for a William Sutcliffe and a Mary Hannah Feber but this is incorrect because their children are not correct.
Any Help would be great.
On the 1891 Census living with them is an Elizabeth Beniss?? age 35 sister in law but I dont think that can be the correct spelling and can't find a link.
Thank you.
( Martha Hannah Sutcliffe definitely married George Clark 1913 and fathers name is William)

Easy to find MMN on GRO site

Make a note.........................

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

SUTCLIFFE, MARTHA HANNAH BINNE
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 446

How did you find exact DoB?



Marriage is on freebmd

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)
Binns Mary Hannah Halifax 9a 686
SUTCLIFFE William Halifax 9a 686

Elizabeth's surname is BINNS................wrongly transcribed.
Have submitted correction to FMP

SUTCLIFFE, CLARA BINNS
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 425

SUTCLIFFE, MAURICE BINNS
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 414

Unless born out of wedlock, James is not the son of William and Mary

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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
66, King Cross Road, Halifax, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

George A Binns Head Widower Male 37 1844 Machine comb maker employing 2 men & 4 boys (spinn mach) Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Martha Binns Mother Widow Female 65 1816 Housekeeper (dom) Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Charles Binns Son Single Male 47 1834 Painter Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Mary H Binns Daughter Single Female 29 1852 Dress maker Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Binns Daughter Single Female 25 1856 Mill hand (fac) (stf tex) Halifax, Yorkshire, England

Get copy of marriage cert for confirmation

Thank you so much Erika.

Thank you for the reference to GRO Site. I did not know you could search in that way I thought you could only order Certificates on GRO ( What a help this is, I have been doing Family History for years and this would have been a godsend)
and I couldn't find the wedding on Ancestry just with William Sutcliffe and the Christian names Mary Hannah so thanks. I thought the name must have been wrongly transcribed for Elizabeth but had tried all sorts! without finding Binns.

I am unsure about James as on the 1891 census for William and Mary there is a James Sutcliffe age14 and it says son so not sure who he is! He would have been born around 1877 so I will need to do a bit more research. Muriel who is the daughter of Martha Hannah could not remember an Uncle James but she is 104 so I thought she may have forgotten him!
Thank you so much for the information I am now back on track.to find out more about William and Mary.

Forgot to say I had Martha Hannah Sutcliffe exact date of birth from the 1939 census with her husband George Clarke and checked with her daughter Muriel.

Odds are that William was married before he married Binns, and that James is a product of that union.

Remember that relationships on censuses are to the HEAD……….not to anyone else.

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William Sutcliffe
in the 1881 England Census
Name William Sutcliffe
Age 29
Estimated Birth Year abt 1852
Relationship to Head Son in Law (Son-in-law)
Spouse Elizabeth Sutcliffe
Gender Male
Where born Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Halifax
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Street Address 6 Raglan St
Marital Status Married
Occupation Mechanic Fitter (E&M)
Registration district Halifax
ED, institution, or vessel 31
Neighbors
Piece 4403
Folio 32
Page number 10
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Crowther 56 Head
Martha Ann Crowther 54 Wife
Walter Crowther 17 Son
Sarah Jane Crowther 15 Daughter
Elizabeth Sutcliffe 28 Daughter
William Sutcliffe 29 Son in Law (Son-in-law) - Mechanic fitter
James Sutcliffe 4 Grandson <<<<<<<<<<<
Henry Sutcliffe 2 Grandson



SUTCLIFFE, JAMES mmn CROWTHER
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 460


Marriages Sep 1875 (99%)
CROWTHER Elizabeth Halifax 9a 628
Sutcliffe William Halifax 9a 628


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Deaths Jun 1882 (>99%)
Sutcliffe Elizabeth 28 Halifax 9a 298

Martha's marriage in all it's mixed up form on fmp.

Yorkshire Marriages
6 Cannon Street, King Cross, Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Martha Hannah
Spouse's occupation Dyer's foreman
Last name Sutcliffe
Spouse's parish Sowerby
Age 25
Father's name William Sutcliffe
Birth year 1888
Spouse's father's name Robert Clarke
Marital status Spinster
Spouse's father's occupation Retired
Marriage year 1913
Father's occupation Mechanic
Marriage date 30 Jan 1913
Witnesses Robert Clarke,Maurice Sutcliffe,Clara Sutcliffe
Marriage place Sowerby, St Peter
By licence or by banns Banns
Church St Peter
Signature provided No
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Spouse signature provided No
Country England
Notes Bride's father shown as deceased
Spouse's first name(s) George Leslie
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Spouse's last name Clarke
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's age 28
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's marital condition Bachelor
Collections from England, Great Britain

© Calderdale Family History Society


and 1921
1921 Census Of England & Wales
15, Norman Street, Halifax, Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
George L Clarke Head
Male 1884 36 Sowerby, Yorkshire, England Foreman In Dyeworks Piece Dyers Grey Road Dept Halifax Dyeing Ltd Dyers Stovers
Martha H Clarke Wife
Female 1887 34 Sowerby, Yorkshire, England - -
Maurice Clarke Son
Male 1914 6 Sowerby, Yorkshire, England - -
Muriel Clarke Daughter
Female 1920 - Sowerby, Yorkshire, England -

Hi alviegal, The 1881 census is a different family, I had seen that at worked throughout it but none of the names match further back. but thanks. The marriage and the 1921 census is correct for Martha Hannah and family.

Erika - I thought William may have been married before so am searching that to try and find any details.Also There are so many James Clarkes born in Halifax around the same time. I believe James did marry a Martha Wright and they had a daughter Doris as on the 1901 census living with Williams and Mayr is James widower and doris age 3 granddaughter.Martha sutcliffe(nee wright ) died 1900. I am doing more searching.
Thank you both.

To find out if he was married before, get a copy of the 1884 marriage certificate

Thanks Erika

Argyllgran- Sorry I made a mistaken thought it was alviegal put the 1881 census on.
I made a bigger mistake by saying it was incorrect.!!!

I had researched William and a marriage to Elizabeth Crowther but could not see any correct connection so ending up starting again. Huge mistake your highlight made me look again and it is the correct family . The son James is from that marriage and I had also downloaded the wedding detail of William and Elizabeth and bizarrely Mary Hannah Binns( his second wife) is a witness at Williams first wedding!!! Luckily I kept all the download and notes so can go back to plan one. Sometimes without some certificate to back up and family member that has any detail you can lose all the correct track, so thank you for the info to get me back there again.
Im glad family History still remains so exciting!!!! Thanks

Exciting and endlessly fascinating, Rose!