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Ty alviegal for that info, very interesting

According to newspapers, 5 Flushing Street was a boarding house.

Three Freehold Houses nos 1, 3 and 5 Flushing Street, Milton Regis, together with the Goodwill, Furniture etc of a registered lodging house.

22 Jan 1921 East Kent Gazette


An application was made by Mr Stephen Baker for a transfer of the licence of the lodging house nos 1, 3 and 5 Flushing Street from the late Mr Thomas Thomas. The licence was only required for nos 1 and 3 as Mr Baker was to turn no 5 into ' ahouse let for lodgings.'

12 March 1921 East Kent Gazette

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Oh my, ty for that names. i actually never realised where they are dispatched from at all. I guess we all just order, pay & wait patiently and not give any other thoughts to it.

Yes i'm sure it will take time for all those who live & work to get over the recent events in Southport so I shall not get impatient but wait patiently.

Florence in the hebrides

I suspect that a lot of people have not really thought about where the certs are sent out from.

However, we should think about what has happened there and give them all the time and space to get over events.

The GRO has been in Southport since 1997

I read somewhere over the last couple of days that the certs are dispached from Southport. The writer said they didn’t know if anyone was personally affected but asked that we are considerate to staff as they may all still be in shock.

Ty for checking the address ErikaH and for the other info ladies.

I thought I had already replied to this message earlier but no trace of my message :-S

Anyway, Ethel Read's death cert wont be despatched until 28 August!! patience of a saint required me thinks lol

None of those are obvious relatives of Jasper or Ethel.

Florence and Albert Burnett weren't married.. Florence's surname was Tong, and she's listed as Tong in 1939, although still with Albert, and their three sons.
Her death is registered as Burnett.

Maria Piper's maiden name as Longley.

Annie Cameron's maiden name was Pain.

I don't know about Annie Gaynor.

5, Flushing Street unoccupied in 1939


1921 Census Of England & Wales
5, Flushing Street, Milton, Kent, England
Albert George Burnett Head Male 1895 26 Sittingbourne, Kent, England Brickfield Labourer Mr Savess Brickmaker
Florence Burnett Wife Female 1899 21 Sittingbourne, Kent, England Home Duties -


1921 Census Of England & Wales
5, Flushing Street, Milton, Kent, England
John Piper Head Male 1876 45 Strood, Kent, England Ironmoulder Iron Goods Umr Grin Iron Foundry
Maria Piper Wife Female 1876 45 Maidstone, Kent, England Home Duties -
Herbert Piper Son Male 1906 14 Harbledown, Kent, England Apprentice Iron Foundry Core Making
Nellie Piper Daughter Female 1909 12 Canterbury, Kent, England School Girl -
Doris Piper Daughter Female 1913 7 Brompton, Yorkshire, England School Girl -
Ivy Piper Daughter Female 1917 4


1921 Census Of England & Wales
5, Flushing Street, Milton, Kent, England
John Cameron Head Male 1890 31 Kensington, London, England Labourer (Filterman) Kembley Council (Out Of Work)
Annie Cameron Wife Female 1892 29 Battersea, London, England Home Duties -
Leonard Cameron Son Male 1920 - Wandsworth, London, England - -


1921 Census Of England & Wales
5, Flushing Street, Milton, Kent, England
Peter Gaynor Head Male 1864 57 Ireland Farm Labourer G F Willson Farmer & C
Annie Gaynor Mother Female 1874 47 Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England - -
May Gaynor Daughter Female 1914 7 Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England - -

Or maybe it was the home of a relative, where she had gone for her confinement. May be worth checking the address on the censuses?

Ty for your suggestions ladies.

Yes maybe she went into labour when visiting, sounds plausible.

Flushing Street seems to have been solely residential - looking at 1921 and 1939

Perhaps the mother was visiting someone and went into labour unexpectedly.

BUT.................you will never know for certain

A Myriad of reasons.
Could have been caught short like the lady in John Lewis.

A cottage hospital, the home of the local doctor, the home of the midwife, the home of someone who acts as a midwife.

Oddly my late mother in law (illegitmate) was born in Milton rather than on the Isle of Sheppey where all the family lived.

Well I have today received the birth cer of jasper daughter Betty Read

So Betty read b 6 Aug 1932
Born at 5 Flushing Street, Milton District
Father Jasper Read
Mother Ethel May Read formerly Castle
Fathers occupation Marine Stores Dealer
Signature of informant E M read, 6 Upper Stone Street Maidstone
Registered 23 Sep 1932.

What springs out at me is where Betty Read was born and the mothers address as both are different.

Flushing street was next to Mill Street which is where the Reads did live for a time but how is the mother living some way away in Maidstone :-S

So Ethel is still claiming to be married to Jasper Read on this birth certificate.

Any suggestions about the 2 different addresses? Unless 5 Flushing St was a hospital but I dot think so?

Still waiting on Ethel's death cert

Florence in the hebrides

malyon, ty for that but I have that info and her marriage in 1933.

I managed to decipher the other cause of death on the cert:

Gangrene of leg!

may syrett married evans


Marriages Jun 1921 (>99%)
Evans Bert Syrett Hollingbourne 2a 1937

Syrett May M Evans Hollingbourne 2a 1937

ArgyllGran, yes all of what you say is correct.

His mother wasn't educated in any way and was a Hawker just like her mother. They would sell whatever they could to make money like Rag & bone men.

I expect they were very poor and did not eat a good diet. His mother died with "fatty deposits" in her brain caused by poor diet. So Jasper may have looked older due to his lifestyles and yes, he could have lied to avoid being called up or his health was poor and maybe got out of it that way.

He def wasn't a pillar of the community at all and from what i have found out, Jaspers children & grandchildren are not much better than he was in today's society!!Say no more as there are living relatives around. ;-)

I wasn’t suggesting that a 73 year old man would early retire, just pointing out that one needed te stamps or NI contributions in the 6O’s as per Florence’s query.

Just a thought, a rag picker could sell on the rags, thus becoming a dealer. Unless he was doing well at it he may not have been physically fit enough to serve.

I agree that he probably is "your" Jasper, Florence, in spite of wildly conflicting records of age.

But you may never be able to prove it.

You have records of "your" Jasper up to 1927.
The man in Sittingbourne first appears in records in 1931, when his eldest child with Edith was born.

"Your" Jasper was apparently poorly educated, and/or possibly not very intelligent, brought up by a mother who couldn't read, and moved around a lot.

The Sittingbourne man was a "dealer" at death, which is just a posh way of saying he sold stuff.
In 1939 he was a "rag picker" , a way an unskilled and uneducated man might scrape a living.
A rag picker could be made to sound better by calling him a dealer.

He was subsequently in court for not sending his children to school, so obviously didn't put much store by education.
Not an upstanding member of the community.

Declaring himself to be 20 years older than he was, in 1939, would mean that he could avoid being called up in WW2, as the upper limit was 40 - i.e. - up to the 41st birthday.
Just a thought!
(I don't know if the military authorities required production of a birth cert or not. The 1939 enumerators didn't, as far as I know.)
Perhaps a hard life had made him look older than he was.

The rules changed in 1941, which should have meant he (and other older men up to the age of 60) would have to do some sort of military or national service - but he managed to avoid that somehow.