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In 1901 James is called John James - and again born in Guernsey:
John James Harvey
in the 1901 England Census
Name John James Harvey
Age 59
Estimated Birth Year abt 1842
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Spouse Johanna Harvey
Birth Place Guernsey, Channel Islands
Civil parish Toxteth Park
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Ecclesiastical parish St Cleopas
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel 027
Neighbors
Piece 3430
Folio 11
Page number 13
Household schedule number 76
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John James Harvey 59 Head - dock labourer
Johanna Harvey 57 Wife
Alice Harvey 24 Daughter
Patrick Hanlan 40 Boarder
James Marman 36 Boarder
Patrick Hindes 23 Boarder
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Thomas's baptism record gives his mother's surname as Morris - but then it has Thomas's surname as Hardy!:
Thomas James Hardy
in the Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1741-1919
Name Thomas James Hardy [Harvey]
Age 0
Birth Date 14 Oct 1873
Baptism Date 2 Nov 1873
Baptism Place St Vincent de Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father Jacobi Hardy
Mother Alicia Morris
Birth of his sister Alice (in the censuses you mention):
HARVEY, ALICE RACHEL mmn MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in WEST DERBY & TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 264
His older sister Eliza[beth] ?
MORRIS, ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 255
Is this your Thomas's marriage - with father Nicholas James - unless that's another mistake??
Thomas James Harvey
in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935
Name Thomas James Harvey
Gender Male
Marriage Age 19
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1873
Marriage Date 16 Aug 1892
Marriage Place Toxteth, St Thomas, Lancashire, England
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Father Nicholos James Harvey <<<<< dock labourer
Spouse Charlotts Aird
However, I don't see James's marriage to Alice.
Perhaps he wasn't married.
Alice probably died in 1881.
I don't see a marriage to Johanna either - his "wife" in 1891 census.
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Thank you
No, I have found nothing before the birth of Thomas in 1873 :-(
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Have you looked for the Mrchant Navy records - possiby also on Family Search. FMP have the MN records from the National Archives.
Guernsey records are not always the easist and FS is probably the best place. HAve you found James on the 1861 census? Harvey is not a particularly Guernsey surname and it is possible that his father was a sailor or a soldier.
Added: a tree on Ancestry has James as Nicholas James Harvey - wife Alice Fearon). There is a marriage oin 1892 of Thomas James Harvey the father is named as Nicholas James Harvey a Dockk labourer. The address for Thomas, a sailor, is 101 Beaufort St.
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Thomas Harvey
in the 1881 England Census
Name Thomas Harvey
Age 8
Estimated Birth Year abt 1873
Relationship to Head Son
Father James Harvey
Mother Alice Harvey
Gender Male
Where born Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Toxteth Park
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 172 Grafton St
Occupation Scholar
Registration district Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel 24
Neighbors
Piece 3638
Folio 138
Page number 14
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Harvey 29 Head
Alice Harvey 30 Wife
Eliza Harvey 10 Daughter
Thomas Harvey 8 Son
Alice Harvey 5 Daughter
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Hello
Looking to follow my Harvey line.
Thomas was born 14th Oct 1873 in Toxteth Park. His parents on the birth certificate found on Ancestry were James Harvey ( Seaman Merchant Service) and Alice Harvey formerly Morrow or Horrow?? living at 13 Pleasant Hill Street, Toxteth Park.
The 1881 census states James to be a British Subject born Guernsey abt 1852 and Alice born in Liverpool.
The 1891 census states James was born in Southampton.
I am unsure where to go from here as I am unable to find a marriage or find a birth for James. I have looked on familysearch for this.
Thank you
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