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According to a tree on ancestry kate died in South Africa in 1947

They don’t have any record of any marriage to William wynn

After his marriage to Kate

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
205, Rotherhithe New Road, Rotherhithe, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Tijou Head Married Male 44 1847 Chemist Matlock, Derbyshire, England
Kate Tijou Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Spain
Reginald Tijou Son - Male 14 1877 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Charles K Tijou Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Mary Pilon Mother Widow Female 81 1810 Living on own means Belper, Derbyshire, England
Ellen Clarke Servant Single Female 16 1875 General servant Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Tom's first marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)

HOPKINSON Emma Maria Lambeth 1d 565 Scan available - click to view
TIJOU Tom Lambeth 1d 565 Scan available - click to view

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
205, Rotherhithe New Road, Rotherhithe, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Tom Tijou Head Married Male 35 1846 Chemist Matlock Bath, Derbyshire, England
Emma Maria Tijou Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Derbyshire, England
Reginald Alton Tijou Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Charles Kiddy Tijou Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Charlotte Pumfrey Servant Single Female 19 1862 General servant domestic New Cross, Surrey, England

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TIJOU, HELEN WINIFRED KATHLEEN ALTON
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 397

Q1 registration would fit a February birth - out by a year from 1939 reg. but that's not unusual

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
Alton Kate Elizabeth H Carlisle 10b 701
TIJOU Tom Carlisle 10b 701

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
39, Red Post Hill, Dulwich, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Tom Tijou Head Married Male 53 1848 Chemist Matlock, Derbyshire, England
Kate E Tijou Wife Married Female 38 1863 Spain (British Subject) -
Helen W Tijou Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - London, Middlesex, England
Edith Paige Sister-in-law Single Female 23 1878 Blouse maker Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire, England
Hugh Leir Boarder Single Male 20 1881 Bank clerk Charlton, Somerset, England
Elenor Leir Boarder Single Female 22 1879 School teacher Charlton, Somerset, England
Svene Otterbeck Boarder Single Male 22 1879 Ship broker Norway
Trygve Somershield Boarder Single Male 22 1879 Wood pulp agent Norway
Martha E Hackett Servant Single Female 18 1883 General servant domestic Plaistow, Essex, England

could this be Tom Tijou's death, leaving the widow free to marry

Deaths Mar 1904 (>99%)
TIJOU Tom 55 Coventry 6d 397

NOT unless the marriage was bigamous or the death late being registered

Thankyou all for your replies. I went down a rabbit hole this afternoon

There's a Helen Winifred k tijou born 1896 Lambeth

Mother Ellen tijou married a William Wynn in 1903

I'm trying to find them all together on a census but I'm pretty rubbish at this


Re the marriage witnesses I need to go get the certificate from my mum as actually that sounds correct but for some reason I had a different witness in my notes ...doh

Perhaps she was born illegitimately, registered at birth under a different name, and invented a father's name.


No way of proving it, though!

????
May be that is this person, Shirley ??

Births Dec 1900
Charman Winifred Kathleen Croydon 2a 279

Winifred K Charman
in the UK, Postal Service Appointment Books, 1737-1969
Name Winifred K Charman
Appointment Date Dec 1918
Appointment Place London
Industry Postal Service
Applt typist

Maybe not as she didn’t marry till 1926

Vivienne birth on the gro doesn’t give mmn


CHARMAN, VIVIENNE RITA
GRO Reference: 1926 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 493

Seems odd

Edit it’s better on freebmd

Births Jun 1926
Charman Vivienne R Wynn Lambeth 1d 493

No sign in Ireland,,,1901 or 1911 and no sign to match details in 1921.

1921 Census Of England & Wales
139, Brixton Road, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Henry G Charman Head
Male 1885 35 Kennington, London, England Tram Conductor London County Council
Albert A Charman Brother
Male 1887 33 Kennington, London, England Clerk H M Stationery Office


1911 Census For England & Wales
41 Dante Road S E, St Mary Newington, London & Surrey, England
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Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sarah Jane Charman Head
Widow Female 52 1859 Shirt buttonhole cutter Lambeth London
Charles Ernest Charman Son
Single Male 24 1887 Packer fancy goods Lambeth London
Albert Alfred Charman Son
Single Male 23 1888 Packer electrical fittings Lambeth London
Louisa Jane Charman Daughter
Single Female 21 1890 Shirt machinist Lambeth London
Mabel Grace Charman Daughter
Single Female 19 1892 Shirt machinist Lambeth London
>>George Edmond Charman Son
Single Male 16 1895 Errand boy West Newington London


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
37, Chester Street, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Stephen Charman Head
Married Male 35 1856 Official at post office London, Middlesex, England
Sarah Jane Charman Wife
Married Female 32 1859 - London, Middlesex, England
Stephen Thos Charman Son
- Male 10 1881 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Charles Ernest Charman Son
- Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Henry George Charman Son
- Male 5 1886 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Albert ? Charman Son
- Male 3 1888 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Louisa J Charman Daughter
- Female 1 1890 - London, Middlesex, England

Do you have a tree on ancestry with her photo on it? There is a tree owned by Colin Charman that says she was a ballet dancer and mentions her working at Buckingham Palace before 1926.
He says witnesses to the marriage were G E CHARMAN, J W BUTLER

Who was the other witness.
There should be at least two?

It's all a bit weird isn't it?

The witness on the marriage cert was l.j wessel ....this is Alberts sister

They married at a registry office in Lambeth

I also thought it a bit late to be marrying for the first time, also I thought it strange that my Gran was her first child at 31

My Gran used to tell my mum that Winifred would cut her face from photos... perhaps she was a spy ????

names.. That was too early for place of death to be recorded.

I think that fact was registered since some time in late 1960s.?


The Buckingham Palace mention is odd.
Winifred would be 64 years old then ... Rather mature for employment there:-S

The 1939 gives the DOB as 3rd Feb 1895 so is a different person.

Does the 1961 death certificate not give the place of birth?

Think this is her death Kay????

Name Winifred Emily Wynn
Death Age 81
Birth Date 5 Sep 1895
Registration Date Oct 1976 [Nov 1976] [Dec 1976]
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Haringey
Inferred County Greater London
Volume 12
Page 2158

Surname Given Name District Volume Page
Births Dec 1895
Wynn Winifred Emily Islington 1b 257

there is this birth..?