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** IF ** the birth with mmn Bayliss is the correct one, this will be her parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
Bayliss Florrie North Stourbridge 6c 329
North Jesse Bayliss Stourbridge 6c 329


Poor Florrie and Jesse lost most of their other children in infancy - only Nellie and Howard survived into adulthood.

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
North Florence L [ Lily ] Bayliss Stourbridge 6c 131 [died 1915 , buried in Halesowen Cemetery]

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
NORTH John T Bayliss Stourbridge 6c 115 [died 1915 Stourbridge ]

Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
North Jesse Bayliss Stourbridge 6c 129 [probably died 1920, see end of this post]

Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
North Phyllis Bayliss Stourbridge 6c 104 [died 1921 Stourbridge]

Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
North Howard Bayliss Stourbridge 6c 99 [married 1937 Dudley; died 2006 Dudley

Births Jun 1925 (>99%)
North Jesse Bayliss Stourbridge 6c 94 [ died 1925 ]


Probably the death of the Jesse born 1920:

Deaths Mar 1920 (>99%)
NORTH Male 0 Stourbridge 6c 69

I assume you mean that there are births of two Cyril Shucks, one in Stourbridge and one in Kidderminster;

SHUCK, CYRIL mmn CORFIELD
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in KIDDERMINSTER Volume 06C Page 209

SHUCK, CYRIL mmn THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 264

As your Cyril's birth was 1 Sept 1911, the Stourbridge one is the correct one, as you've already decided.


BUT
as ErikaH has said, dates of birth on the 1939 Register are not always accurate.

IF that DOB for Nellie is accurate, than the birth of Nellie North with mmn Bayliss is indeed the more likely one.

Ancestry suggests the other birth (mmn Shaw) - but Ancestry's suggestions are also frequently wrong.

You do need to get Nellie and Cyril's marriage cert to see who her father was.

This is what you wrote with regard to Shuck 'line'

As for Horace worked backward from m in 1952
there seems to be 2 lots of Shucks one in Kidderminster & one in Stourbridge both with different parents, i am only looking at the Stourbridge line, but both have a daughter named Nellie b 1915/16 having looked at Nellie she may have died in 1999

Nellie's birth name was not Shuck
;-) ;-)

Don't 'take' anything that hasn't been proved.

The 1916 registration - as I said before - is legally too late for a September 1915 birth

The 1939 birth date MAY NOT BE ACCURATE

What do you mean 'No to all'? All what, please?

If you haven't got any certs, you can't be sure of anything - sorry, but that's how it is.

no too all, as i said there are 2 Shuck lines for Cyril in Kidderminster & Stourbridge
Nellie b taken from 1939 reg, so i take it b 1915 reg 1916

Taylor
Nellie
24 Sept 1916
1983
1983
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

The DoB quoted is presumably taken from 1939 Register - NOT the birth cert

NORTH, NELLIE (MMN) SHAW
GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 16

Births are supposed to be registered within SIX WEEKS

Do you know - without any doubt - who her parents were?

Have you obtained her marriage cert to find out her father's details

The birth below would be a better ‘fit’ for a September birth - albeit one year different from the date given in 1939, which doesn’t seem to have been verified

NORTH, NELLIE (MMN) BAYLISS
GRO Reference: 1916 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 13

Where have you found a death in 1999? I can’t see one that fits her details

Did you take note of the one I posted?

So do you have the 1952 marriage cert?

What are the full details?

How does the name Shuck have any connection to Nellie’s birth?

As for Horace worked backward from m in 1952
there seems to be 2 lots of Shucks one in Kidderminster & one in Stourbridge both with different parents, i am only looking at the Stourbridge line, but both have a daughter named Nellie b 1915/16 having looked at Nellie she may have died in 1999

This is a woman of the right age

Deaths Mar 1968 (>99%)
TAYLOR NELLIE 52 STOKE/T 9B 775

Depending on how important it is to you to know the death info, your only recourse would seem to be to purchase certs

What about Horace? Are you sure he was born in 1928? Men don't often marry women who are so much older.
Finding his death and getting the cert for informant's details may prove helpful

Looking carefully at the deaths posted, the one in Uxbridge doesn't fit with birth - nor does the one in Pontypool.

thanks for the above, you can see the problems i have, even the one grand child does not known dates

There are several deaths post-1952, in various places in England/Wales, of women named Nellie Taylor born 1915.

Several of them don't show DOBs on Ancestry.

Have you checked out all of these (and others), Ian?

TAYLOR, NELLIE 1915
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2002 in CALDERDALE (0861D) Reg D1D Entry Number 52
(Listed as MS Nellie Taylor on Ancestry, so maybe not.)

TAYLOR, NELLIE 1915
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2007 in KINGS LYNN (6371A) Reg 1A003 Entry Number 3
(Also listed as MS on Ancestry )

Deaths Mar 1960 (>99%)
TAYLOR Nellie 45 Uxbridge 5f 182

Deaths Jun 1963 (>99%)
TAYLOR NELLIE 48 PONTYPOOL 8C 205

Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%)
Taylor Nellie 52 Sheffield 2d 352



That's assuming her name was still Taylor when she died, and that the informant knew her correct age or year of birth.

She did not die in Scotland - if her surname was still Taylor..

At least that positively eliminates the death

This looks like the woman who died in 1994.
She remarried in Sheffield in 1960.:

Nellie Howard
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Nellie Howard [Nellie Taylor] <<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 22 Sep 1915 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 82 Chippingham St
Residence Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 16
Schedule Number: 44
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: KISP
Borough: Sheffield
Registration district: Sheffield 510/4
Inferred Spouse:
Richard J Howard
Household Members Age
Richard J Howard 25
Nellie Howard 24

The only birth of a Horace Taylor without middle name, in England/Wales 1927-29, was in Lancaster, registered in 1st quarter 1927 .

Either:
Horace had a middle name not stated at marriage;
or
Ian is mistaken about his YOB
or
Horace wasn't born in England or Wales.

What else do you know about Horace, Ian? Do you have the marriage cert?

If, as the poster states, Horace was born 1928 the 1957 death isn't his.
Where was he born?

If the 1994 death suggested by ErikaH isn't the right woman, there's a possible remarriage for Nellie in 1975 in Wolverhampton, to Grosvenor..

I don't see either of them on ERs.


EDIT:
BUT a Nellie Grosvenor died in Dudley in 2017, born 1930 - so the marriage may not be that of your Nellie.