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I found a death record for a Harriet Arnold in 2001 but in Monmouth district which is quite a way from where she lived. However, I had some feedback from my friend's mother who remembered that Harriet was about 93 when she died and she died in hospital. The nearest hospital is in Monmouth district so it's possible that this death is our Harriet's. It gives her date of birth as July 27th 1908. I'm going to go along with this for a while and see where it gets me.

Annie

That's one of the questions I've asked. I'm hoping for some answers soon!

Annie

Did your friend's mother actually know Harriet?

Speculation about the 1951 marriage -

there's a Joyce A Riley of the right age in Ebbw Vale on the 2019 ER.

The info I have came from a friend who had it from her mother who is Abraham's daughter-in-law. She is the one who remembers the name Innocent. I've asked her to put her thinking cap on to see if she can remember anything else! ErikaH, I have asked my friend about the marriage and I'm waiting for her to get back to me.

Annie

Missed that second forename snippet ;-) ;-)

But is the marriage I posted relevant? No feedback yet on that

BUT.........this thread is about Harriet and her background, so the way forward can only be through HER marriage cert

ErikaH,

Joyce's middle name is Alma so that Stockport death can't be the one.

Possible she is in Ebbw Vale on electoral rolls.

Rose

Where did your friend find the information about Harriet and Innocent and the "long line of children" ?

Theoretically, yes.

I'd never have thought of that. Just supposing they were gypsies, would they have had to fill in census forms?

Annie

I'm wondering if Harriet's family were gypsies - Smith and Gibbs are names which are prevalent in that community, especially if there was a child named Innocent - not that I can see ANY trace

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RILEY, JOYCE ANNIE 1928
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/1995 in STOCKPORT (0131C) Reg C59A Entry Number 29

Advise the person concerned to get the marriage cert............if he or she wants factual info

At the moment, no-one can even guess when Harriet was born.

No, they're not related to me. I'm just trying to help out a friend. Yes, the William above is the half-brother.

Annie

ARNOLD, WILLIAM DENNIS 1932
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2015 in BLAENAU GWENT (833-1A) Entry Number 512970562

I think the half-brother Annie mentions is William Dennis.

Intestacy means he didn't leave a Will - not the same as late Probate of an existing document

Whose half-brother? And what was his name?

I'm guessing you're not related to these people....................

Marriages Mar 1951 (>99%)
ARNOLD Joyce A RILEY Bedwellty 8c 230
RILEY Thomas ARNOLD Bedwellty 8c 230

3 children...on freebmd

Re the late proving of the will. My grandmother died over 40 years after her first husband, but his intestacy was mentioned in her probate papers.

I know Ethel is a half-sister from her half-brother's daughter who has supplied me with the initial information. She knows very little about her father's family hence the reason for searching. I really do think we need the marriage cert. I didn't know that about his will. Thanks for your help.

Annie