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Name: Caldwell Spruce
Gender: Male
Record Type: Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1817
Baptism Place: Knutsford St John the Baptist, Cheshire, England
Residence Place: Cheshire, England
Mother: Mary Spruce

my william caldwell was born 1789 , they were nurserymen from knutsford and huyton liverpool.. my fil is brian spruce his dad caldwell spruce as above married to florence , grandad cadwallader spruce then ggrandad caldwell spruce then goes to william caldwell ?

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Baptism: 20 Dec 1789 Parochial Chapel of Kirkby, Walton, Lancashire, England
William Caldwell - Son of William Caldwell & Sarah
Born: 2 Dec 1789
Notes: Registered 20 Decr 1789 by James Adcock
Baptised by: John Rigby Gill A. B. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1786 - 1810, Page 14, Entry 9
Source: LDS Film 1545852

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census from fmp

Near Knutsford Inferior, Knutsford, Altrincham, Cheshire, England
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First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Caldwell Male 50 1791 -
Mary Caldwell Female 30 1811 Cheshire, England
Sarah Caldwell Female 20 1821 Cheshire, England
Mary Caldwell Female 15 1826 Cheshire, England
William Caldwell Male 15 1826 Cheshire, England
Emma Caldwell Female 15 1826 Cheshire, England
Alice Shallcross Female 15 1826 Cheshire, England
William Caldwell's Census Details
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Tracy -
you say " up until him the family were spruce "

What evidence do you have for that?

His marriage record says his father Was William Caldwell, nurseryman.

Again for our reference:

This is the William who married Mary Bracegirdle - born Kirby, Lancs:

William Caldwell
in the 1851 England Census
Name: William Caldwell
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1790
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Caldwell
Gender: Male
Where born: Rirbey, Lancashire, England [Kirbey ]
Civil Parish: Knutsford Superior
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Lymm
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 2163
Folio: 352
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
William Caldwell 61
Mary Caldwell 43
Emma Caldwell 10
John Thomas Caldwell 9
Anne Eliza Caldwell 7
Louisa Caldwell 3
Herbert Caldwell 1
Caroline Johnson 18
Emily Johnson 16
Sarah Leigh 16


CALDWELL, EMMA mms BRACEGIRDLE
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in ALTRINCHAM UNION Volume 19 Page 15


Ancestry assumes this is him in 1841:

William Caldwell
in the 1841 England Census
Name: William Caldwell
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Knutsford
Hundred: Bucklow
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
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Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Knutsford
Neighbors:
Piece: 93
Book: 8
Folio: 16
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
William Caldwell 50 - not born in county
Mary Caldwell 30
Sarah Caldwell 20
Mary Caldwell 15
William Caldwell 15
Emma Caldwell 15 - an Ancestry user (David Caldwell) has corrected this to YOB 1840.

Marriage: 18 May 1840 All Saints, Chorlton-on-Medlock, Lancashire, England
William Caldwell - full age, Nursery Man, Widower, Knutsford
Mary Bracegirdle - full age, Spinster, Chorlton on Medlock
Groom's Father: William Caldwell, Nursery Man
Bride's Father: James Bracegirdle, Slater
Witness: Mary Jane Caldwell; Am. Stubbs
Married by Licence by: Chas. Burton LLD
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1861, Page 15, Entry 29
Source: LDS Film 2112986

For our reference, and for the date - one of the marriages you mention:

William Caldwell
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: William Caldwell
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 18 May 1840
Marriage Place: Choriton-Upon-Medlock, Lancashire, England
Father: William Caldwell
Spouse: Mary Bracegirdle
FHL Film Number: 2112985
Reference ID: p15


William Caldwell
in the Cheshire, England, Parish Registers, 1538-1909
Name: William Caldwell
Gender: Male
Record Type: Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 20 Dec 1789
Baptism Place: Cheshire, England
Residence Place: Cheshire, England
Father: William Caldwell
Mother: Sarah Caldwell



The other marriage:

William Caldwell
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
Name: William Caldwell [of Knutsford ]
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 04 Jun 1820
Event Place: St John the Baptist, Knutsford, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Mary Green

Witnesses: William Green and Jane Green.

No father mentioned at baptism, so illegitimate:

Caldwell Spruce
in the Cheshire, England, Parish Registers, 1538-1909
Name: Caldwell Spruce
Gender: Male
Record Type: Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1817
Baptism Place: Knutsford St John the Baptist, Cheshire, England
Residence Place: Cheshire, England
Mother: Mary Spruce

To give us an idea of area:

Caldwell Spruce
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Caldwell Spruce
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Altrincham
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 182


Caldwell Spruce
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Caldwell Spruce
Registration Date: Oct 1928
[Nov 1928]
[Dec 1928]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Bucklow
Inferred County: Cheshire
Spouse: Florence A Davies
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 370

EDIT:
The marriage is for a later Caldwell Spruce, not the one born in 1816!

Hi this is my husbands ggggrandad.the mystery if anyone can help is the name spruce.as up until him the family were spruce .my hubbies grandad was caldwell spruce etc it seems william was married twice to a mary green and a mary bracegirdle, but had a son maybe out of wedlock with a mary spruce who was named caldwell spruce b 1816. now the mary spruce i found seems to have the same birth details as mary bracegirdle? and on the census at age 74 is living with elizabeth bracegirdle. big mystery , as maybe the family should be caldwells ?