Find Ancestors

He is in three GR trees other than yours - have you tried to make contact with the 'owners'?

Thank you all so much for the above information. You have all taken only one day for all the above, when I have spent days and many hours on this subject, without a definate result.
Perhaps I should look for a DNA match for someone who may have more information about this particular ancestor.

Thank you all again for your time with this.

Terence.

Elizabeth and Albert James were also together in 1928 and 1929, at 12 Sirdar Road.

No sign of Elizabeth as Meads before that, though more than one possibility for Albert James on his own.

'Elizabeth' died too soon for her maiden name to be on her death cert, so she will probably have to remain a mystery

Albert and Elizabeth in 1936, at same address as in 1939:

Albert James Meads
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Albert James Meads
Electoral Date: 1936
Street address: 141 Rathcoole Gardens
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hornsey
County or Borough: Haringey, England


With Elizabeth in 1931:

Albert James Meads
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Albert James Meads
Electoral Date: 1931
Street address: 16 Ernest [ 16 Sirdar Road on image ]
Ward or Division/Constituency: Tottenham North
County or Borough: Haringey, England


With Elizabeth at same address in 1930:

Albert James Meads
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Albert James Meads
Electoral Date: 1930
Ward or Division/Constituency: Tottenham North
County or Borough: Haringey, England

Possible Burial?

Record Transcription:
Berkshire Burial Index
Learn about this record set
First name(s) Albert James
Last name Meads
Age 71
Birth year 1892
Marital status widower
Death year 1963
Burial year 1963
Burial date 08 Oct 1963
Church Henley Rd Crematorium (Caversham)
Place Reading
Notes died 2 Oct at Canadian Red Cross Hospital, Taplow
County Berkshire
Country England
Record set Berkshire Burial Index

MEADS, ALBERT JAMES mms BOWLER
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in HENLEY, IN THE COUNTIES OF OXFORD, BERKS AND BUCKI Volume 03A Page 750


MEADS, FRANK mms BOWLER
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in MAIDENHEAD Volume 02C Page 411


Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)
BOWLER Eliza Hannah Henley 3a 1051
MEADS George Henley 3a 105

There is this School Admissions which gives the same date of birth as the 1939 Register that Shirley found in her 06:30 post

National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
First name(s) Albert
Last name Meads
Birth year 1891
Birth date 13 Oct 1891
Event year 1904
School name Knowl Hill Church of England Primary School
Town Knowl Hill
County Berkshire
Country England
Parent name(s) George
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 90/SCH/12/6

Also listed is Frank Meads b 19 Feb 1898

It looks like it gives their abode as Kiln ( the place name as not all that clear)

Is this the child whose birth you mention?

Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Dance Ethel E Dance Brentford 3a 306

No indication of paternity

GRO version

DANCE, ETHEL ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1918 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 366 Occasional Copy: A

Albert did not officially acknowledge the child as his

What happened to her? Do you have any idea?

The Albert J Meads who married Kathleen is a different Albert.

Strange that they're both bus drivers:


Albert J Meads
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Albert J Meads
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 20 Dec 1905 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 4
Residence Place: Eastbourne, Sussex, England
Occupation: Bus Conductor
Line Number: 22
Schedule Number: 241
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: EHAS
Borough: Eastbourne
Registration district: 71/1
Household Members:
Name
Albert J Meads
Kathleen M Hills - 23 oct 1904
This record is officially closed.
Wm H V - 13/08/1898
Hilda F - 17/061894
Lock T Humphrey


Kathleen's surname is given as Hills, underlined, with a date of change given as 3/11/48, which matches the marriage - though why she should be listed only as Hills, and not as Meads in 1939, I don't know.


Kathleen Mabel Hills
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Kathleen Mabel Hills
Death Age: 94
Birth Date: 23 Oct 1903
Registration Date: Aug 1998
Registration district: Harrow
Inferred County: Greater London
Register Number: 93B
District and Subdistrict: 2321
Entry Number: 229


Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
Meads Albert John Eastbourne 2b 64

FMP shows only TWO marriages for Albert J Meads.

I would suggest - fairly confidently - that this is the birth of the man who married in 1928


Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
Meads Albert John Eastbourne 2b 64

So, it seems the man in question was living with someone to whom he wasn't married

Additional info on the birth posted earlier

MEAD, HENRY THOMAS GREEN
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 161

1911 Census For England & Wales
21 Doynton Street, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England
Henry Green Head Married Male 59 1852 House Painter London Bethnal Green
Maria Green Wife Married Female 56 1855 - London Bloomesbury
Annie Green Daughter Single Female 29 1882 Laundress London St Pancras
Thomas Green Son Single Male 19 1892 Painters Labourer London St Pancras
William Green Son Single Male 18 1893 Printers Machine Minder London St Pancras
Edward Green Sin Single Male 15 1896 Printers Assistant London St Pancras
Henry Mead Grandson Single Male 4 1907 - London Islington
Walter Hilsdon Boarder Single Male 27 1884 Carter Mineral Waters London St Pancras
Joseph Finley Boarder Single Male 29 1882 House Pianter London St Pancras

FMP ties this death with them on the 1939 register

ELIZABETH
Last name MEADS
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1891
Age 54
Death quarter 3
Death year 1945
District Edmonton
County Middlesex
Volume 3A
Page 572
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

Maybe she did remarry

Marriages Dec 1948
Meads Kathleen M Hills Eastbourne 5h 431

It’s the only marriage that comes up though to Albert j meads

Marriages Sep 1928
Hollands Kathleen M Meads Eastbourne 2b 188
Meads Albert J Hollands Eastbourne 2b 188

Purely on the reg district this looks to be her birth

Births Dec 1903
HOLLANDS Kathleen Mabel Eastbourne 2b 69


So definitely not being called Elizabeth on the 1939 register


Maybe the marriage broke up and he then lived with Elizabeth

The Henry T Mead on the 1939 register isn’t a son as he was born in1906 and in a bus conductor single living with Albert and Elizabeth



141 Rathcool Gardens, Hornsey, Hornsey M.B., Middlesex, England

Albert J Meads 13 Oct 1891 Male Omnibus Driver Married 59 1
Elizabeth Meads 24 Dec 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 59 2
Henry T Mead 16 Jul 1906 Male Omnibus Conductor Married 59 3
Ref: RG101/0858B/005/8 Letter Code: BMCT
© Findmypast Ltd


Mistranscribed on FMP as meads but mead on the actual register

His birth
Births Sep 1906
Mead Henry Thomas Islington 1b 161

So a coincidence on similar names

You may have to work backwards from his death cert to see who the informant was

It could be family


Only certificates will tell you if it’s the right one you are looking for remarriages


Sometimes it’s better to work backwards when it isn’t an unusual name

Albert James Meads 1891. Trying to find his possible second marriage. Born in Medmenham, Buckinghamshire, to George Meads and his second wife Eliza.
I have his first marriage to May (Mary) Dance on 28/11/1918, after the birth I guess, of his daughter Ethel a few months earlier. May died the next year!
The Dance family seem to be in the same place as Albert's parents in Penyston Road, Maidenhead in the 1911 census. Meads at 77 and Dance at "Elsdon". Are they the same place?
I photographed No 77 in 2013, a small end terrace house!
At the time of marriage in 1918, Albert was with his brother Edwin in Uxbridge, but May (Mary) was with widow Eliza (George died 1913) at No 77 Penyston Road.
I have his military service details, but there seems to be more than one second marriage, as he seems to have not died until 1963 in Eton, Bucks.
One is Kathleen Mabel Hollands in her home county of Sussex in 1928, although cannot find much detail of her life, or any further children.
The 1939 register shows an Albert Meads with Elizabeth and son Henry T in Hornsby, Middlesex.

So.....can anyone find details of Alberts later life please?

Terence. South Australia.