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She had another child:

Name: Pamela Rose
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1900
Event Place: Easton city Ward 8, Northampton, Pennsylvania, United States
Event Place (Original): ED 133 Easton city Ward 8, Northampton, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 40
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Number of Living Children: 2
Birth Date: Sep 1860
Birthplace: England
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1883
Immigration Year: 1891
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Mother of how many children: 2
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Wife
Sheet Letter: A
Sheet Number: 6
Digital Folder Number: 004115151
Record Number: 44857


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Rose Head M 45 England
Pamela Rose Wife F 40 England
Samuel Rose Son M 16 England
Pamela A Rose Daughter F 1 Pennsylvania

District: 133
Sheet Number and Letter: 6A
Household ID: 129
Line Number: 19
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T623
GS Film Number: 1241447
Digital Folder Number: 004115151
Image Number: 00918
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: N00710-3

Rose

Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960


First name(s) Pemala
Last name Shepley
Gender Female
Age 31
Birth year 1861
Marital status S
Occupation SPIN
Departure year 1892
Departure day 28
Departure month 7
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Boston
Destination BOSTON
State Massachusetts
Ship name Catalonia
Ship master's last name ATKIN
Ship master's title CAPT
Ship destination port BOSTON
Ship destination country USA


Travelling with 7 year old Samuel Shepley.

or this might be pamelia's death father samuel mother hannah

Pamela Shepley Rose
Massachusetts Deaths, 1841-1915
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Name:
Pamela Shepley Rose
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Event Type:
Death
Event Date:
08 Oct 1900
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Event Place:
New Bedford, Massachusetts
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Gender:
Female
Age:
40
Age:
40y 27d
Age:
40 years 27 days
Marital Status:
Married
Occupation:
Housewife
Birth Year (Estimated):
1860
Birthplace:
England
Burial Place:
New Bedford
Father's Name:
Samuel Shepley
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Father's Birthplace:
England
Mother's Name:
Hannah Lindley
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Mother's Birthplace:
England
Spouse's Name:
William
Source Reference:
Shepley Rose, Pamela, 1900
Digital Folder Number:
004289811
Record Number:
360
Record Number:
360

the sons marriage

Pamelia Shepley
mentioned in the record of Samuel Fern
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Name: Pamelia Shepley
Sex: Female
Husband: John
Son: Samuel Fern
Other information in the record of Samuel Fern
from Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915
Name:
Samuel Fern
Name Note:
Mill Operative
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
11 Oct 1902
Event Place:
New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts, United States
Event Place (Original):
New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts, United States
Gender:
Male
Age:
23
Birth Year (Estimated):
1879
Birthplace:
England, United Kingdom
Father's Name:
John
Mother's Name:
Pamelia Shepley
Spouse's Name:
Sarah D.h. Douglas
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Age:
23
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1879
Spouse's Father's Name:
Alexander
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Sarah Ezlintrol
Record Number:
134

could this be pamelia using her maiden name father samuel

Pamelia Shepley
Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915
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Name:
William Rose
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
28 Nov 1892
Event Place:
New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts, United States
Gender:
Male
Age:
38
Marital Status:
Single
Birth Year (Estimated):
1854
Birthplace:
England, United Kingdom
Father's Name:
William
Mother's Name:
Mary Wright
Spouse's Name:
Pamelia Shepley
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Age:
32
Spouse's Marital Status:
Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1860
Spouse's Father's Name:
Samuel
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Mary
Record Number:
135

not finding her death or remarriage could she have immagrated

Thank you Malyron,

the only problem i see there is the surname is Fern not Ferns !!!

to be honest i'm more interested in Pamelia Ferns nee Shepley who i believe was John Ferns first wife, but all help is greatly appreciated

Ron

and the mother's maiden name is Shepley, if you look at the GRO Index

FERNS, SAMUEL mmn SHEPLEY
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 515

Samuel Ferns
England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008
Name:
Samuel Ferns
Event Type:
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter:
Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:
1885
Registration District:
Ashton Under Lyne
County:
Lancashire
Event Place:
Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Volume:
8D
Page:
515
Affiliate Line Number:
150

Samuel Fern
England, Manchester, Parish Registers, 1603-1910
Name:
Samuel Fern
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
29 Jun 1907
Event Place:
St James, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England
Gender:
Male
Marital Status:
Widowed
Father's Name:
John Fern
Spouse's Name:
Sarah Jane Vickers
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Marital Status:
Single
Spouse's Father's Name:
William Vickers
Record Number:
4240

Yes Sylvialn

Have Samuel Born 1885 was thinking that could be only option John married Catherine in 1894

The plot thickens...

ErikaH
I have found 3 sisters and 3 brothers for Pamelia, but, not Deaths, Sorry should'n't have put ? over the date of marriage to John Ferns

Ron

Father's name is the same in both marriage records.

Maybe John and Pamela split up, no divorce, he found a new spouse, married in another diocese and said he was a bachelor.

He lied, but that was not unusual back then when only very wealthy people could get divorced.

Have you found Samuel Ferris b 1885?

You put a query mark after the year of the marriage, which, in my experience, usually indicates uncertainty

Don’t rule out the later marriage without getting proof.

Record Transcription:
Lancashire Banns & Marriages

First name(s) John
Last name Ferns
Age 34
Birth year 1860
Occupation Labourer
Marital status Bachelor
Year 1894
Marriage year 1894
Marriage date 17 Feb 1894
Place Everton, St Chrysostom
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 4 Hodson's Place
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Ferns
Father's occupation Bricklayer
Spouse's first name(s) Catherine
Spouse's last name Jenkins
Spouse's age 39
Spouse's birth year 1855
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence 4 Hodson's Place
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Jenkins
Spouse's father's occupation Boiler Maker
Witness 1 Mary Jones
Witness 2 Mary Hetherington
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-CHY-3-5
Register type Marriages
Register year range 1893-1900
Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Thanks for the info Kath

On the 1911 census where John Fern(s) is a patient he is in the District Infirmary, Ashton-under-Lyne.

The Infirmary is now part of a group of hospitals that make up Tameside General Hospital.

Kath. x

Hi ErikaH
In my original post I mentioned I had found the marriage, I must confess I didn't have John's parents, that I will look into this evening..

I wonder why John is living with his mother, I do not think the marriage to Catherine would be correct.

I wonder Maddie why if it is him where was he a Patient.in 1911
more mystery

Thanks for all help

1911 Census For England & Wales

Ashton-Under-Lyne, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England

First name(s) John
Last name Ferns
Relationship Patient
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Age 47
Birth year 1864
Birth place Cheshire Stalybridge
Occupation Hawker
House name -
House number -
Street -
Address Ashton-Under-Lyne
Parish Ashton under Lyne
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Ashton under Lyne
Registration district number 468
Enumeration district 28

In 1911, Pamela's parents say they have had 9 children, of whom 3 have died.
Have you found the births and deaths?