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Thank you Kathleen. I also think it's too early to be my Louisa who was born in/about 1804 and died in 1848. She married William Carter who was also born at around the same time and died in 1880.

These names and dates all fit because of the children of the marriage.

I'm wondering if the earlier Louisa Judkins was my Louisa's grandmother? I'm sure there's a connection there somewhere anyhow.

William and Louisa Carter are my 3rd gt grandparents. One of their children was Charlotte Carter (1836-1918). Charlotte married (1855) George Rollinson (1826-1893). They are my 2nd gt grandparents. One of their children was Kate Rollinson (1875-1962). She married Robert Rowland (1876-1941). She was my gt grandmother and I vaguely remember her but I was only about 4 at the time (1955). We lived over 300 miles away at that time so it was the only time I did meet her when we visited Sheffield. I've got a beautifully embroidered smoking cap belonging to my Gt Grandfather Robert Rowland. We've also spent many hours visiting graveyards where my relatives are buried in Derbyshire. St Anne's in Baslow in particular. I've "nailed" that part of my heritage. lol

Robert and Kate had several children and one of them was Robert Arthur Rowland (1897-1962) who was my Grandfather. I also only met him once and have only just realised that he died in the same year as his Mother did. She spent her last days on a geriatric ward of the local hospital. I've got a sepia Christmas card which she sent to my parents shortly before she died. She was my Dads grandmother and cared very much for him but couldn't alter how his parents behaved towards him. I believe that he spent a short time living with his grandparents while his parents fought! He never talked about his past life until he came to visit us in his later years and we took him to all the places he remembered as a boy. Sad story anyhow.

Robert Arthur Rowland married Doris Bradshaw (my grandparents) and they had my Dad......Robert Walter Rowland (1924-2012). Shortly after that marriage they separated and went their own ways and my Dad eventually married and re-located to the other end of the country (Plymouth) where I was brought up along with my elder sister and younger brother (now also deceased).

There's only me and my sister left now (her B 1948 and me 1951). We both married and have 5 children between us and 12 grandchildren.
This is why I want to get a good family history together so that if and when they get interested in their heritage they will have a good start to their discovery trail. My niece is already very interested but her hectic work life prevents her actually doing what I'm doing now. I think it's something very nice to leave to the younger generations anyhow and I'm thoroughly enjoying researching even if it's taking me a while to do. I'm getting there. ;-)

My parents never talked about their family life because neither of them had a very good time. My Dad left home as soon as he could and went to war at a dubious age! WW11 and he was stationed in Belgium where he met my Mum and shortly after the war ended they married and he brought her back to England where eventually they re-located to Plymouth where I was born and bred but somehow I ended back in Yorkshire where he was born.

Tracing my Mums side of the family has been very much harder and I have to accept that I can only go back for the couple of generations that I've got sketchy information for. I never met my grandparents on that side of the family which is sad but back in the days of my youth we didn't have the wonderful tools that are available to us nowadays.

Thank you for all your help so far anyhow. No doubt I'll be popping back up with more requests for help as I continue my journey. I've done pretty well though and on some branches I'm back in the early 1700's. Some of the Rowland clan track back to the plague of Eyam. I'm not sure they are directly connected or cousins etc. The name is common. ;-)

Could Louisa have lied about her age??????

Yes, came across that on below, but wondered if it was too early...(Death 1848, age 44)

Chris :)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Baptism
County Northamptonshire
Place Kettering
Church name Great Meeting Independent Chapel
Register type Unspecified
Birth date 02 Jul 1778
Baptism date 02 Mar 1779
Person forename Louisa
Father forename George
Mother forename Ann
Father surname JUDKINS
Notes Baptised at Barton Lodge By mistake baptised Louisa Ann was the name proposed


Baptism
County Northamptonshire
Place Kettering
Church name Great Meeting Independent Chapel
Register type Unspecified
Birth date 08 Oct 1780
Baptism date 05 Dec 1780
Person forename Ann
Father forename George
Mother forename Ann
Father surname JUDKINS
Notes Baptised at Barton Lodge


Baptism
Place Kettering
Church name Great Meeting Independent Chapel
Register type Unspecified
Birth date 13 May 1784
Baptism date 16 Aug 1784
Person forename John
Father forename George
Mother forename Ann
Father surname JUDKINS
Notes Baptised at Barton Lodge

good find, Kath!

Possible marriage for Louisa's parents:-

First name(s) George
Last name Judkins
Marriage year 1775
Spouse's first name(s) Anne
Spouse's last name Pulver
Place Cranford St Andrew
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Source
Boyd's 1st miscellaneous marriage index, 1415-1808
Record set England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

There is this baptism for a Louisa Judkins which gives her parent's names:-

First name(s) Louisa
Last name Judkins
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1779
Baptism date 02 Mar 1779
Place Kettering
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Judkins
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Kath. x

Thank you so much to both of you for taking your time to help me. I've come across many of the names above including "Judkin" which I believe was used as a middle name for one of the boy children but was also the maiden name of his Mother.
I think I'm going to have to look further into both all of the children of Louisa and William along with siblings.

I'm currently filling in a 10 generation chart for my sister and to say I'm not a patch on you very knowledgeable people is an understatement but I'm not doing too bad.
I never imagined for a minute just how quickly my journey would spread or just how fascinating it is.

William did originate from London and I believe Louisa was from Northampton. They both ended up in Chesterfield where they died. Louisa was only in her early 40's.

I still can't find anything on the census records but with all the names that you've given above (which are also a lot of the names I've come across) I intend to look carefully at each one again.

Hope this makes sense? Thank you.


;-)

Looks about right Sylvia, family are in Sheffield (Ecclesall Road) 1841...

Chris :)

(Can't find a Baptism for Louisa, wondered if Judkin/s was also Judson etc. at one time, checked on Ancestry also, they have the images on their Northamptonshire Collection)

(notes if her Brother George posted above, he is in Walgrave 1841, also has a Daughter named Louisa)

Birth Registrations in Derbyshire from GRO, in addition to Lucy

CARTER, JOHN mmn JUDKINS
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW UNION Volume 22 Page 114

CARTER, JAMES mmn JUDKINS
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 19 Page 425



Deaths .........

CARTER, JOHN 0
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW UNION Volume 22 Page 73




Could this be Charles' death, born 1827

CARTER, CHARLES 17
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW UNION Volume 22 Page 60

Possibly Lucy's death from GRO ................

NOTE:- 4 on the GRO Index may be 4 days, 4 weeks, 4 months OR 4 years, as they have not sorted out how to distinguish actual age under 12.


CARTER, LUCY 4
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 19 Page 299


Chesterfield was the Registration District that included Staveley

That Marriage also below...

Chris :)

County Northamptonshire
Place Walgrave
Church name St Peter
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 13 Dec 1824
Groom forename William
Groom surname CARTER
Groom parish Kettering
Bride forename Louisa
Bride surname JUDKIN
Bride parish otp
Witness1 George BROAD
Witness2 Mary Ann JUDKINS
Notes Banns


Baptism
County Northamptonshire
Place Kettering
Church name St Peter and St Paul
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 714
Birth date 24 Nov 1826
Baptism date 22 Jul 1827
Person forename William Brewer
Father forename William
Mother forename Louisa
Father surname CARTER
Person abode Kettering
Father occupation Brushmaker

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link)

In case the witness from above...

Baptism
County Northamptonshire
Place Walgrave
Church name St Peter
Register type Unspecified
Birth date 6 Apr 1804
Baptism date 01 Jul 1804
Person forename Mary Anne
Person sex F
Father forename George
Mother forename Mary
Father surname JUDKINS

(also together 1801 a George (1789) and Elizabeth.



08 May 1819 - Northampton Mercury - Northampton, Northamptonshire,

MARRIED
At Walgrave, in this county, Mr. Geo. Porter, to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Mr. George Judkins, Farmer and Grazier, of that place.


Place Walgrave
Church name St Peter
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 29 Apr 1819
Groom forename George
Groom surname PORTER
Groom parish otp
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname JUDKINS
Bride parish otp
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 William BATEMAN
Witness2 Ann PORTER


County Northamptonshire
Place Walgrave
Church name St Peter
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 12 Apr 1819
Groom forename George
Groom surname JUDKINS
Groom parish otp
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Susanna
Bride surname MOORE
Bride parish otp
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 William MUNDEN
Witness2 Richard YORK
Notes Banns


Death
CARTER, LOUISA 44
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 19 Page 390

Deaths Mar 1880 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Carter William 76 Chesterfield 7b 451


(not much help, looking at William on Census (Staveley) 1851 says Tottenham Court Road, for Birthplace)


(possibly that 1840 Birth reference)

Carter Lucy 1840 1844 1844
Derbyshire Deaths And Burials Staveley, Derbyshire, England

Those baptisms in Kettering make me think that this might well be William and Louisa's marriage

from FMP .............

Northamptonshire Marriages

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name CARTER
Marriage year 1824
Marriage day 13
Marriage month Dec
Marriage place WALGRAVE
Parish Kettering
Spouse's first name(s) Louisa
Spouse's last name Judkin
Spouse's title -
Spouse's parish Walgrave
Event Type Marriage
By Banns or licence Banns
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Record set Northamptonshire Marriages



This then looks like Lucy's birth registration from GRO Index

CARTER, LUCY mmn JUDKINS
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW UNION Volume 22 Page 112



However, I cannot find a baptism for Lucy under either Judkin or Judkins


I have to go now.

For our information .....

This is Charlotte's baptism (from Ancestry) .......

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Charlotte Carter
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 Nov 1836
Baptism Place: Staveley,Derby,England
Father: William Carter
Mother: Louisa
FHL Film Number: 498130, 498131


an older child .............

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Mary Ann Carter
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 19 Jan 1835
Baptism Place: Staveley,Derby,England
Father: William Carter
Mother: Louisa
FHL Film Number: 498130, 498131


It looks as though the older children were baptised in Kettering, Northamptonshire ...................

from FMP

Record Transcription:

First name(s) Charles
Last name Carter
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1827
Baptism date 22 Jul 1827
Residence Kettering, Northampton, England
Place Kettering
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Carter
Mother's first name(s) Louisa
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

First name(s) William
Last name Carter
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1827
Baptism date 22 Jul 1827
Residence Kettering, Northampton, England
Place Kettering
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Carter
Mother's first name(s) Louisa
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975


First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Carter
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1829
Baptism date 01 Nov 1829
Residence Kettering, Northampton, England
Place Kettering
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Carter
Mother's first name(s) Louisa
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

I assume that you have found them on at least the 1841 Census, and William on later ones.

You can use the names of children born after 1837 to discover the mother's maiden name by going to the GRO Index, which is free although you hve to sign up with it.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Go to Order Certificates Online, then Register or Log In

Then choose Search the GRO Indexes

I believe William was my 3rd Gt Grandfather. I think he was born in the London area but died in Chesterfield. He married Louisa (?) 1806-1848. They were the parents of Charlotte Carter 1836-1918. She was my 2nd Gt Grandmother. There were also 5 other children.

I can't find any information as to who the parents of both William and Louisa were (my 4th Gt Grandparents).
I would really appreciate any help here. Thanks in anticipation.

:-)