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The 1893 marriage, again:
Lily Chivers
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lily Chivers
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 1096
Records on Page:
Name
Lily Chivers
Walter Frank Hemmens
George Hill
Emmeline Kate Pope
For one thing, if Lily in 1911 is the same person, she would only have been c15 at marriage. Not impossible, I suppose.
But anyway, it was Walter Hemmens who married Lily Chivers:
Walter Frank Hemmens
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Walter Frank Hemmens
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire
Civil Parish: Kingswood
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address: 20 Kimberley Rd, St, Kingswood, Bristol
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Boot Trade Clicker
Registration district: Keynsham
Registration District Number: 317
Sub-registration district: Kingswood
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 263
Piece: 14761
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Frank Hemmens 42
Lily Hemmens 38 - born Tunly, Somerset, c1873.
Gladys Lilian Hemmens 12
Horace Walter Hemmens 6
George Hill married Emmeline Pope:
Emmeline Kate Hill
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Emmeline Kate Hill
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Frome, Somerset
Civil Parish: Bath
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address: 14 Norfolk Crescent, Bath
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Bork Keeper
Registration district: Bath
Registration District Number: 316
Sub-registration district: Walcot
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 360
Piece: 14724
Household Members:
Name Age
Emmeline Kate Hill 36
Richard Geoffrey Hill 14
Jessie Jones 29
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Are you quite sure you've got the right 1911 for your George?
George in 1911 was born in Fenton, not Hanley (yes, I know they're both parts of Stoke on Trent).
Lily in 1911 was born in Falmouth, not Bath.
William in 1911 was born in Fenton, not Bristol.
It seems like a lot of wrong info on the census if that's your George.
Lily Chivers's birth:
CHIVERS, LILY mms LINES
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in BATH Volume 05C Page 594
Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
CHIVERS Joshua Bath 5c 964
LINES Eliza Bath 5c 964
Lilly Chivers
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Lilly Chivers
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Joshua Chivers
Mother: Eliza Chivers
Gender: Female
Where born: Radstock, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Radstock
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address: Butler Buildings
Registration district: Clutton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors:
Piece: 2429
Folio: 69
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Joshua Chivers 26
Eliza Chivers 23
Lilly Chivers 3
Albert Chivers 1
EDIT:
No, that can't be the same Lily who married George Hill. [ ADDED: But also see next post - Lily Chivers didn't marry George Hill ]
Lily Chivers
in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914
Name: Lily Chivers
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1879
Marriage or Bann Date: 8 Apr 1901
Marriage Place: Radstock, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Radstock
Father: Jorlma [Joshua ] Chivers
Spouse: Frederick Denning
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Martin, William is not 3 on the 1911 census, as posted above he is 14.
I can't see the marriage you refer to? oh yes I can but it is Chivers not Chiver
Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
Chivers Lily Bath 5c 1096
Hill George Bath 5c 1096
Child?
HILL, WILLIAM CHIVERS
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 23
You could buy the marriage cert to see if George's father matches?
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Confirmation that George Hill - parents are definitely William Hill and Thirza Newman.
1891 census shows George Hill at 59 Mellville Street, Hanley, Staffordshire.
I did find a Marriage possible -
Lily Chiver, Somerset - date of marriage 1893 5 a 1096, pg 54
1911 census definately states William is son of George and is 3yrs of age.
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FOR ELIMINATION ONLY:
this is NOT the same family:
George Hill
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: George Hill
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 16 Jul 1876
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Bonnington
Residence Place: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Occupation: Dairy Clerk
Schedule Number: 39
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: OOOY
Registration district: 370/2
Inferred Spouse: Lillie Hill
Inferred Children: Lillie R Hill
Household Members:
Name
George Hill
Lillie Hill
Howard J Hill
Lillie R Hill
Julia R Hill
That Lillie's ms was Tooth.
She and that George married in 1903 and are together in 1911 census.
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For our reference:
Lily Hill
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Lily Hill
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Falmouth, Cornwall
Civil Parish: Fenton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 106 Raglan Street, Fenton, Stoke On Trent
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 15
Estimated Marriage Year: 1896
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration district: Fenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 16
Piece: 16583
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hill 36
Lily Hill 33
William Hill 14 - Fenton
[ Son is William, not George]
Son William in 1901:
William H Hill
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William H Hill
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Fenton
Ecclesiastical parish: Fenton Christchurch
Town: Fenton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Fenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 2612
Folio: 143
Page Number: 11
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Hill 50
Matilda Hill 49
Elizabeth Hill 23
Rupert Hill 21
William H Hill 19
Lydia A Hill 18
Eliza Hill 17
Ruth Hill 14
Matilda Hill 10
Alfred Hill 6
William H Hill 4
Birth of son William ????
HILL, WILLIAM HENRY mms HAMMONDS
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 259
Parents' marriage:
Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
Hammonds Mary Ann Stoke T. 6b 341
Hill George Thomas Stoke T. 6b 341
Per 1911 census, George and Lily had been married for 15 years, which would fit the above marriage.
Could Lily just be what Mary Ann liked to be called?
But there are loads of Mary Ann Hammonds born in Staffordshire - and none in Falmouth. Or maybe Falmouth is a mistake on the census ???
George is George T in 1891 with his parents and siblings;
George T Hill
in the 1891 England Census
Name: George T Hill
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1875
Father: Alfred Hill
Mother: Matilda Hill
Birth Place: Stoke Upon Trent; Fenton
Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Residence Place: Fenton, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Sub registration district: Fenton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 2179
Folio: 124
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Hill 40
Matilda Hill 39
Mary A Hill 18
George T Hill 16
Elizabeth Hill 13
Rupert Hill 12
William H Hill 10
Lydia A Hill 8
Eliza Hill 7
Nellis Hill 5
Ruth Hill 4
Matilda Hill 7/12
I can't see George and either Lily or Mary Ann in 1901.
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Can we assume you’ve looked at freebmd for a marriage between George Hill and a Lily?
Alternative is to look for the son’s birth on the GRO site, where MMN is given
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I am trying to find maiden name of Lily, born c1878 - married to George Hill born 1875 Staffordshire.
1911 census shows them both living 106 Raglan Street, Fenton, Staffordshire with child George Hill.
Lily showing as born Falmouth, Cornwall. Marriage according to census should be around 1896 but I am at a loss trying to research her maiden name to get the marriage details. Any help welcome
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