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8 Jun 2019 15:40 |
I am researching my Great Great Grandfather born sometime between 1823 and 1829. I have found him, I believe, on census returns from 1851 to 1911 and I have a marriage certificate which gives me his fathers name. However, I can't find a registered birth or christening for him. He was born before registration of births became mandatory. Any ideas where I go from here? I can't properly identifyhis parents and family as I can't be certain about which family to look at on the census information for 1841, he doesn't appear to feature at all on the returns of likely families i.e with the name of his father as detailed on his marriage cert. He had most probably left home by 1841 to work for or to be apprenticed as a blacksmith. If anyone has any ideas as to how I can proceed with this search it would be much appreciated. I hope I have posted this in the correct place.
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ErikaH
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8 Jun 2019 15:55 |
Civil registration came into force in July 1837. No BMD events were registered before that date. Penalties for not registering births were imposed from 1875
If you would like people to try to help, post his name, father’s name and occupation, and location
Who witnessed his marriage? Did it occur in the place he gives as his birthplace on censuses?
Which of his children is your PROVEN direct line?
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9 Jun 2019 18:20 |
If you know his place of birth from the census records, then try the parish registers for the county he was born in.
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9 Jun 2019 19:26 |
Did the marriage cert give his age, and did it mention the father's occupation in addition to the name?
If you care to give us some details, I'm sure folk on here would like to take a look. Sometimes it just needs another pair of eyes.
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10 Jun 2019 19:20 |
Thank you very much to everyone for the replies. My great great grandfather is James Street(s) . He married in 1871 at a Parish Church in the Sheffield area but I can't read the name of the actual church as the writing isn't very clear. He married Maria Spouge, (often transcribed as Sponge on census information). They had one son John George who was my paternal great grandfather. Both witnesses to the marriage have the surname Dronfield which is the maiden name of Maria's mother. The marriage cert detaisl his father as George Street - Miner. James was a journyman blacksmith and I have found him on each census 1851,1861 as a single man moving around the area of North Derbyshire for work. The 1871 census details him as married to Maria. His age varies on the census forms hence my uncertainty as to his date of birth. I feel sure the age detailed on his marriage cert isn't correct! I wonder if he even really knew how old he was? I can't find him on the 1841 census but I wonder if at that time he had left home, possibly he was an apprentice blacksmith or working somewhere but I have no clues really as to where he was. I have found a George Street in Mastin Moor , Stavely, Derbyshire and this family might fit with James but James is not detailed on the 1841 census with them. Mastin Moor is his place of birth, this is the one constant fact on each census return. Parish records on line have not turned up any birth records for James in that area of the country. Would a visit to view the actual paper records yield more information, but which ones would I look at? I believe the records are now all located at the District Council Offices in Matlock, Derbyshire. Any help or suggestions would be gratefully received.
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10 Jun 2019 19:39 |
Record Transcription: Yorkshire Marriages
First name(s) James Last name Street Age 42 Birth year 1829 Residence Barlborough Marriage year 1871 Marriage date 14 Feb 1871 Marriage place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul Spouse's first name(s) Maria Spouse's last name Spouge Spouse's age 32 Spouse's residence Sheffield Father's first name(s) George Father's last name Street Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Spouge County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies Archive reference PR-138-3-93 Page 148 Record set Yorkshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
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10 Jun 2019 19:50 |
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Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field (only fields with a value are shown) Value County Nottinghamshire Place Kirkby in Ashfield Church name St Wilfrid Register type Parish Register Register entry number 585 Baptism date 07 Oct 1827 Person forename James Person sex M Father forename George Mother forename Eliza Father surname STREET Person abode Kirkby Father occupation Collier Transcribed by Karen Turner Credit Karen Turner File line number 583
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10 Jun 2019 21:45 |
Thank You Abby. The marriage details are correct and match the copy marriage cert I have. Except I could not decipher the Church of the Marriage from the document I have. So thank you very much for that. Re the baptism record for James this could be him but on all the census information I have he is recorded as being born in Mastin Moor, Staveley, Derbyshire so I am not sure this is the James I am looking for. I will follow it up further. Many thanks for your help. I am interested in how you were able to find this information so quickly where did you look for such detail? I can't seem to find anything this detailed on line. Thank you again.
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10 Jun 2019 22:07 |
The marriage is on find my past
the baptism is from free reg
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
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10 Jun 2019 22:09 |
Record Transcription: Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917
First name(s) James Last name Street Birth year - Baptism year 1827 Baptism date 07 Oct 1827 Denomination Anglican Church St Wilfrid Baptism place Kirkby in Ashfield Relationship Son Father's first name(s) George Father's last name Street Mother's first name(s) Eliza Mother's last name Street Residence Kirkby County Nottinghamshire Country England Record set Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
from find my past
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10 Jun 2019 22:35 |
???? from family search
Mary Ann Street England Births and Christenings Name Mary Ann Street Gender Female Christening Date 25 Dec 1832 Christening Date (Original) 25 DEC 1832 Christening Place PRIMITIVE METHODIST,BELPER,DERBY,ENGLAND Birth Date 12 Jun 1832 Father's Name George Street Mother's Name Eliza
on find my past the same baptism
says mary ann daughter of george street a coal miner and eliza his wife of portland row in the parish of kirkby in the county of nottingham.
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ErikaH
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11 Jun 2019 13:26 |
Such a pity you marked this as answered. People will think you don't need any more help
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11 Jun 2019 16:39 |
Possible Marriage for sister:
Name: Mary Ann Street Residence: Chesterfield Gender: Female Marriage Age: 23 Birth Date: 1832 Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1855 Marriage Place: Alfreton, Derbyshire, England Father: George Street (Collier) Spouse: John Parkes
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Saint Marys Chappal, Church End, Hale, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Parkes Head Married Male 26 1835 Gardener Derbyshire, England Mary Ann Wife - Female 29 1832 - Kirkby, Nottinghamshire, Harold Thomas Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar ----------------------------
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Butler Green, Chadderton, Oldham, Lancashire, England
John Parkes Head - Male 36 1835 - Derbyshire, England Mary Ann Parkes Wife - Female 39 1832 - Nottinghamshire, England Harold T Parkes Son - Male 14 1857 - Lancashire, England Eliza J Parkes Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Lancashire, England Mary H Parkes Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Lancashire, England Emily M Parkes Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England Alexander Parkes Brother - Male 28 1843 - Derbyshire, England
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12 Jun 2019 00:11 |
Thank you for all this information. I will follow up on all of it. Many thanks.
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