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Another loose end.. Elizabeth Richmond (nee Siggs) died 1838 (born 1804). In 1841 census her husband James Abraham Richmond appears to be living with another woman. Their 5 children that I know of have disappeared. Mary Ann 1825, James 1828, John Whiffin 1830, Annette Elizabeth 1834 and Joseph Cracherode 1836. I have found a possible death for Annette in 1858. The others I can't find... Can anyone spot them holed up somewhere ? Thank you :-)

For an idea of where in the country we're looking. This is the only 34 years old Elizabeth Richmond death in 1838. Yours?

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:

RICHMOND, ELIZABETH 34 Order
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 495

for our info

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Regent Terrace, Stepney, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
James Abraham Richmond Male 40 1801 Middlesex, England
Ellen Dugan Female 40 1801 -

James is listed as a Brewer

Ellen listed as a Female Servant - not born in County

?? Annette in 1841

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
George Street, Richmond, Richmond upon Thames, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas B Anderson Male 58 1783 - Surgeon
Elizabeth Anderson Female 54 1787 -
Louisa Edwards Female 58 1783 -
Mary Moore Female 50 1791 -
Mary Dent Female 20 1821 Surrey, England
Annette Richmond Female 6 1835 -
Anne Butler Female 29 1812 -

Possible for John Whiffin Richmond ??

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Spring Gardens, Stepney, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Johnson Head Widow Female 61 1790 School Mistress Middlesex, England
Mary A Pickerin Sister Unmarried Female 40 1811 - Middlesex, England
Mary A How - Widow Female 57 1794 - Middlesex, England
John Richmond - - Male 21 1830 Mariner Middlesex, England

Looks like Annette - whoever registered the death might be family to help locate them

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
RICHMOND, ANNETTE ELIZABETH 24 Order
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 429 Order

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp - site is free to use and gives ages at death pre the commercial sites which only start mid 1860's

London, England, City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery Registers, 1841-1966

Name Annette Elizth Richmond
Age24
Birth Dateabt 1834
Burial Date23 Dec 1858
Burial PlaceLondon, England
Reference NumberCTHC/01/044
Household Members
Name Age
Annette Elizth Richmond

From original image - of 6 High Street, Stepney. Burial was on a Thursday

Tree on Ancestry links this probate record to the death posted above - you need to read to see if any names ring a bell to see if "your" Annette.
Death 1858 but probate 1874

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=richmond&yearOfDeath=1874&page=4#calendar

Name: Annette Elizabeth Richmond
Death Date: 19 Dec 1858
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 8 Jan 1874
Registry: Principal Registry

EDIT - a Charles Richmond Pottinger is named in the entry - see James' marriage later - one witness is a Pottinger

?????

Same tree has death of Mary Ann 1853 in Prahan, Victoria, Australia
1851 - married to a Charles Fuller (1820 - 1873) in Richmond, Surrey with children Mary Ann Emma b 1849 and Harry b 1850

A probate entry is referred to 1873

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=fuller&yearOfDeath=1873&page=5#calendar

For reference:

Joseph Cracherode Richmond
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Joseph Cracherode Richmond
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1836
Baptism Place: Saint Dunstan,Stepney,London,England
Father: James Abraham Richmond
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 596913, 596914, 596915, 596916

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1844 (>99%)

FULLER Charles Stepney 2 433 Scan available - click to view
RICHMOND Mary Ann Stepney 2 433 Scan available - click to view

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in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932

Name: Charles Fuller
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 7 Oct 1844
Marriage Place: St Anne, Limehouse, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: William Fuller
Spouse: Amy Anne Richmond <<<<<<reads MAry Ann
Register Type: Parish Register

From original -
Charles - of full age. A Farmer of Cheddington, Surrey. Father William a Farmer
Mary Ann - a minor of Limehouse. Father James a Wine Merchant

Charles probate also on record - previous page to Mary 1873 - in England

Written will shows on Ancestry (made in 1852) - Australia, several pages

Name: Charles Fuller
Record Type: Wills (Will)
Death Date: 11 Jan 1873
Death Place: Buninyong East
Occupation: Station-Master
Grant Date: 27 Jul 1873
Grant: Adm. C.T.A.
Grant Recipient: Henry W. Fuller

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Cemetery register in Australia -
St Kilda Cemetery, Victoria

Charles Fuller b 1.12.1818 died 11.1.1873
MAry Anne his wife b 7.10.1825 died 29.5 1853

Same Ancestry tree

View London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932

Name: James Richmond
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Sep 1849
Marriage Place: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: James Abraham Richmond
Spouse: Elizabeth Black
Register Type: Parish Register

Original -
both of full age, single
James - A Gentleman of Stepney. Father a brewer
Elizabeth also of Stepney. Father a ?? at a distillery

One of witnesses is a Pottinger <<<<

(See Annette's probate fro Pottinger name)

Tree says he died 25.7.1874 Victoria, Australia

Just a wild possibility for Joseph Cracherode -

A patient at the Margate Sea Bathing Infirmary:

Joseph Richmond
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Joseph Richmond
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: St John The Baptist Margate
Hundred: Ringslow
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Isle of Thanet
Sub-registration district: Margate
Neighbors:
Piece: 468
Book: 6
Folio: 70
Page Number: 6

There is a SIGGS tree on Ancestry with much of this information.
Siggs Family Tree - ritabutler181

If it's not yours you may be able to access via your local library

No info on John Whiffin or Joseph Cracherode past their baptisms on either tree

Name: Elizabeth Richmond
Age: 34
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1804
Death Date: abt 1838
Burial Date: 24 Feb 1838
Burial Place: All Saints, Poplar, Tower Hamlets, England


?????????
Name: Elizabeth Richmond
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1804
Date of Trial: Jul 1834
Trial Year: 1834
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England - Old Bailey
Sentence: Imprisonment - 2 years
Crime: Larceny

On familysearch.............................. FREE


Name John Whiffen Richmond
Event Type Will
Event Date 19 Feb 1875
Event Place South Australia, Australia
Residence Place Redruth, South Australia

Thanks for all your help, sounds like they were spread to the four winds, a couple of them very young. I've been in touch with Rita Butler some 15 years ago, she is a very distant relative, maiden name Siggs. I will try getting in touch again.

Name James Abraham Richmond
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1873
Registration District Pancras
County London
Event Place Pancras, London, England
Age 76
Birth Year (Estimated) 1797
Volume 1B
Page 19
Affiliate Line Number 161

Name James Abraham Richmond - widower
Event Type Probate
Event Date 10 Jul 1874
Event Place England, United Kingdom
Event Place Principal Registry
Beneficiary's Name Mary Anna Maria Allin - daughter and only NOK
Beneficiary 2 Name John Henry Allin


Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)

Allin John Henry Westminster St J 1a 591
RICHMOND Anna Maria M Westminster St J 1a 591


Name: Anna Maria Marie Richmond
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 31 Mar 1869
Marriage Place: Saint James,Westminster,London,England
Father: James Richmond
Spouse: John Henry Allin
FHL Film Number: 1042325

1851

Name: Ann Maria Richmond
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James A Richmond
Mother's name: Isabella Richmond
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Lower
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 1553
Folio: 450
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
James A Richmond 48...............................Occ: Brewer
Isabella Richmond 26
Ann Maria Richmond 3