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I'm really stuck here. I have Richard Wicks - sometimes Wickes - who married Jane Jones in December 1850 at the parish church in Tetbury. I have the cert. Richard was my 3x great-grandfather. I'm looking for Jane's family. The marriage cert gives her father as William Jones who was a plumber. Jane's occupation was a stay maker. Jane was born in 1823 in Middlesex. The witnesses were George and Martha but the last names are very difficult to read. Martha may have been Bayers but George's name is anyone's guess. I'm desperately trying to find out more on William. I've gone way back with the Wicks family but William does not want to give himself up. I'm guessing he was born around 1800 because of Jane's age. I'd be really glad of any help or suggestions, please.

Annie

Its Martha Baylis and George Street

baptism give mothers name as Sarah

Name: Jane Jones
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1823
Baptism Place: St. Andrew's, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Father: William Jones
Mother: Sarah Jones
FHL Film Number: 374358

same baptism place, so possible siblling


Name Maria Sarah Jones
Gender Female
Christening Date 09 Feb 1818
Christening Date (Original) 09 FEB 1818
Christening Place SAINT ANDREW,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 05 Jan 1818
Father's Name William Jones
Mother's Name Sarah
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also same place but here name is noted as John William, so maybe not

Name: Elizabeth Sarah Jones
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 Sep 1816
Christening Date (Original): 16 SEP 1816
Christening Place: SAINT ANDREW,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1809
Father's Name: John William Jones
Mother's Name: Sarah

Name Catherine Jones
Gender Female
Christening Date 16 Sep 1816
Christening Date (Original) 16 SEP 1816
Christening Place SAINT ANDREW,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name John William Jones
Mother's Name Sarah
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Name William Thomas Jones
Gender Male
Christening Date 27 Mar 1815
Christening Date (Original) 27 MAR 1815
Christening Place SAINT ANDREW,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Jones
Mother's Name Sarah
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Name: Joseph Jones
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1824
Baptism Place: St. Andrew's, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Father: William Jones
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 374358

1851
Record Transcription:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Coombers Mead, Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England
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Richard Wicks's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Wicks Head Married Male 30 1821 Labourer Sherston, Wiltshire, England
Jane Wicks Wife Married Female 27 1824 Stay Maker London, Middlesex, England

Jane Jones
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Jane Jones
Residence Place: Holborn, Middlesex, England
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Jul 1823
Christening Date (Original): 20 Jul 1823
Christening Place: St. Andrew's, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Father's Name: William Jones
Mother's Name: Sarah Jones

Thank you so much. I really couldn't see the wood for the trees with this. I'll go back to it with renewed energy! I'm very grateful.

Annie

But you can't see that baptism to see if William is a Plumber.

There are peoples trees with William and Sarah but no mention of a daughter called Jane.

Jane Jones 20 Jul 1823 St Andrew Holborn City of London William,
Sarah

Jane Jones 16 Mar 1823 Clerkenwell St James Islington William,
Jane

View Record Jane Jones 26 Dec 1824 Whitechapel St Mary Tower Hamlets William,
Mary

none of fathers are plumbers

"Plumber" is the one word that is clear on the cert. Maybe he changed occupations from time to time.

Annie

is this jane in 1881
Jane Wicks
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Registration District Bedwelty
Residence Note River Row
Gender Female
Age 58
Marital Status Married
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1823
Birthplace Little James St. London, Middlesex, England
Page Number 7
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 5243/
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Birthplace
Richard Wicks Head M 61 Shuston, Wiltshire, England ------------------
Jane Wicks Wife F 58 Little James St. London, Middlesex, England
Jane Wicks Daughter F 17 Blaina, Monmouthshire, England
Alice Wicks Daughter F 13 Blaina, Monmouthshire, England
James Williams Boarder M 45 Malmer, Herefordshire, England
Thomas Vill Boarder M 48 Peterchurch, Herefordshire, England
Llwyfa Mathews Lodger M 24 Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Little St Jamess Street, St James's, City of Westminster, London SW1A.

Yes, that's them. Jane's family moved to River Row, Tredegar then she and Richard moved to Ynysybwl where he died in 1899 and she died in 1905. Shuston (above) is Sherston Magna. The Alice Wicks, above, was my great-grandmother. I've failed to find Richard's and Jane's burial place. I have both those death certificates. They are not in Ynysybwl or any of the surrounding cemeteries. Richard died a couple of years of years before Ynysybwl cemetery was opened.

Annie

There is this one with a father William but I still can't see the actual baptism.

Name: Jane Jones
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 11 Feb 1831
Baptism Place: St James, Westminster, Middlesex, England
Father: William Jones
Mother: Isabella Donaldson
FHL Film Number: 1850976

Babies were not always baptised in the year they were born because it was cheaper to have more than one child baptised with others.

William and Sarah parents of Jane Jones baptism 20th July William is a Shoe Maker and the address is New Street Square and she was born on 14th May 1823.

No profession for William Jones and Isabella Donaldson they are in the workhouse when she was baptised.

Is this the baptism in St. Andrew? Does it say where New Street Square was?

Annie

I've tried looking for the possible siblings in 1841 but no luck so far.

Annie

The Maternity Nursing Mission had its headquarters at no. 5 Little James Street in 1901 (The Times, 27 November 1901)

The poss baptisms Catherine put up are not the same families.

Maria Sarah Jones 1818 her father Wiliam was a gold and silver chaser.

William Thomas Jones is a child of William and Sarah and William is again a Gold Chaser.

Elizabeth Sarah Jones 1816 Father John William Jones he is a Law Clerk

Catherine Jones 1816 is sister to the above with same parents John William Jones a Law Clerk.

Joseph Jones 1824 with parents William and Sarah of New St Square is a Shoemaker.

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Maddies ones.

Jane Jones 1823 Father William and mother Sarah is again a Shoe Maker.

Jane Jones 1823 Clerkernwel William and Sarah is a Coal Mechant.

Jane Jones 1824 Parents William and Mary and his proffesion is a Boot Maker.

The nearest you are going to get to a Plumber is maybe a Labourer being a Plumbers Labourer. Or perhaps the father was made up to save face.