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Norman Aubrey Taylor

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 29 Oct 2018 10:42

Another opinion please.

The starting point was this

Norman Aubrey Taylor
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Birth Date: abt 1922
Departure Date: 10 Jun 1932
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Balranald
Shipping line: P and O Steam Navigation Company
Official Number: 145597
Master: C E Short

Travelling with a Mrs Mahala Taylor whom I believe was mmn Clayton, marrying Frank Norman Taylor in 1919 in Brighton.

I'd assumed this was his death
Norman Aubrey Taylor
Birth Date: 15 May 1924
Death Date: 21 Dec 1988
Cemetery: Pinegrove Memorial Park
Burial or Cremation Place: Minchinbury, Blacktown City, New South Wales, Australia
Has Bio?: N
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

However.....a new 'hint' has popped up from Fold3 which throws a spanner in the works. I can't find it on the Australian National Archives

Name: Norman Aubrey Taylor
Birth Date: 6 Oct 1921
Birth Place: Brighton Sussex England
Year Range: 1921 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Melbourne
Service Number: 13379
Father: Frank Taylor
Series Description: A9301: RAAF, NCOs and Other Ranks

So.....
- are there 2 different men born in the same decade to account for the Findagrave memorial?
- where is the UK birth?

Thank you

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Oct 2018 11:36

parents marriage
FRANK N
Last name TAYLOR
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1914
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


FRANK N TAYLOR married one of these people

Mahala Clayton
Spouse's last name Clayton
District Brighton
District number -
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 2B

the 1924 norman
Name: Aubrey Norman Taylor
Birth Date: 15 May 1924
Birth Place: Surry Hills New South Wales
Year Range: 1939 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Marrickville New South Wales
Service Number: N249318
Next of Kin: Irene Woodley
Series Description: B884: Army Citizen Military Forces

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Oct 2018 11:47

1921 norman
Norman Aubrey Taylor

BillionGraves Index
birth:
6 October 1921
death:
27 July 2010
burial:
Bangholme, Victoria, Australia

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Oct 2018 12:00

???
Name: Mahel Taylor
Arrival Age: 56
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1900
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival date: 8 Jun 1956
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney; Melbourne; Adelaide; Fremantle; Colombo; Bombay; Aden; Suez and Port Said
Ship Name: Iberia
Shipping line: P and O Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 4637/01
Search Ship Database: Search for the Iberia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

going to 2 cumming ave canterbury for 3 months

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Oct 2018 12:08

From https://trove.nla.gov.au The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) Tuesday 17 June 1947

A gown of ivory marquisette, with a berthe of lace
which was worn by her mother on her wedding dress,
has been chosen by Miss Nancy Ethel Roediger, for her
marriage this afternoon to Mr Norman Aubrey Taylor,
at Wesley Church.
THE neckline is fin
ished with a bow of
the material, with a
similar bow at the waist, .
and the full skirt falls into a
train. Her ivory net veil will
flow from an orange blossom
coronet, and she will carry white
cactus dahlias. Her only orna
ment. will be an antique gold and
pearl necklet, lent by Mrs Ian
Roediger.
The bride is the eldest daugh
ter of Mr and Mrs C. H.
Roediger. of "Grafton." Nhill,
and will be attended by her sis
ters, Beryl and Betty, wearing
aqua green crepe frocks, with
peplums, and carrying deep red
roses to match the flowers in
their hair.
The bridegroom, the only
child of Mr and Mrs F. Taylor,
of Warrnambool, will be sup
ported by Messrs Ian Roediger
and Derek Holten. The Rev.
C. H. Plummer will officiate.

Is this the Norman born 1921?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Oct 2018 12:09

Have you found a birth reg for Norman?

I certainly can't see one

Was Clayton definitely the maiden name for Mahala?

She was 39 in 1922 - can't see a birth to fit

EDITED

First name(s) MAHALLIE
Last name CLAYTON
Birth year 1893
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name -
District Brighton
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 271

CLAYTON, MAHALLIE BRAY
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in BRIGHTON Volume 02B Page 271

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Oct 2018 12:28

1911

Name
Mahala Dann
Age in 1911
18
Estimated Birth Year
abt 1893
Relation to Head
Daughter
Gender
Female
Birth Place
Brighton, Sussex
Civil parish
Brighton
Search Photos
Brighton, Sussex, England
County/Island
Sussex
Country
England
Street Address
1 Gerrards Court King Street Brighton Sussex
Marital Status
Single
Occupation
Laundry Packer
Registration district
Brighton
Registration District Number
79
Sub-registration district
West Brighton
ED, institution, or vessel
29
Household schedule number
90
Piece
5149
Household Members

NameAge
NameMary Ann Dann
Age51
NameGeorge Dann
Age29
NameLizzie Dann
Age19
NameMahala Dann
Age18
NameElsie Dann
Age16
NameEva Dann
Age14

1901


Name
Mahala Dann
Age
8
Estimated Birth Year
abt 1893
Relation to Head
Daughter
Gender
Female
Father
George Dann
Mother
Mary Dann
Birth Place
Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil parish
Brighton
Search Photos
Brighton, Sussex, England
Ecclesiastical parish
Brighton St Mary Magdalene
County/Island
Sussex
Country
England
Registration district
Brighton
Sub-registration district
West Brighton
ED, institution, or vessel
41
Piece
934
Folio
33
Page number
15
Household schedule number
106
Household Members

NameAge
NameGeorge Dann
Age42
NameMary Dann
Age41
NameMary Dann
Age21
NameGeorge Dann
Age19
NameRose Dann
Age19
NameEdith Dann
Age15
NameRichard Dann
Age13
NameElizabeth Dann
Age10
NameMahala Dann
Age8
NameElsie Dann
Age6

husbands death


Name
Frank Norman Taylor
1972
Death Registration Place
Victoria, Australia
Father
Frank Taylor
Mother Maiden Name
Faulkner
Reference Number
18935
Household Members

parents marraige for mahallie
Marriage
20 Jun 1881 • Saint Peter, Brighton, Sussex, England
George Henry Borrer Clayton
mary ann bray






alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Oct 2018 12:34

Is this the 1924 one? The Daily Telegraph (Sydney, NSW : 1931 - 1954) Sunday 3 August 1947

Two men were injured when a truck
in which they were travelling and a
tram collided in Mitchell Road, Alex
andria, at 6.17 p.m. yesterday.
They are;
Pte. Gordon McDovan, L.T.D., Mar-
. rlckville, injuries to hip and shock.
>>Aubrey Norman Taylor<<, believed to
be from Maroubra, shock, probable
fractured skull, and internal injuries.

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Oct 2018 12:41



Name
Frank M Taylor
Gender
Male
Age
30
Birth Date
abt 1893
Departure Date
20 Sep 1923
Port of Departure
London, England
Destination Port
Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name
Beltana
Search Ship Database
Beltana
Shipping Line
P & O Branch Service
Official Number
131853
Master
Captain C H Allin

travelling with wife mahala and norman aged 1
he was a plumber
address 39 lowther road brighton

Australia, World War II Military Service Records, 1939-1945
View Record

Name
Frank Taylor
Year range
1921 - 1948
Child
Norman Aubrey Taylor
Series Description
A9301: RAAF, NCOs and Other Ranks

????
Name: Mahala Taylor
Death Age: 97
Birth Date: 28 May 1893
Registration Date: Oct 1990
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 23
Page: 223


Mahala Taylor

in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Mahala Taylor
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1942
Subdistrict: Warrnambool
State: Victoria
District: Wannon
Country: Australia

Name: Mahala Taylor
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1954
Subdistrict: Warrnambool
State: Victoria
District: Wannon
Country: Australia

with frank

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 29 Oct 2018 13:13

Thank you for the extra information - its a great help <3

Mary

Mary Report 29 Oct 2018 13:57

Mahallie Taylor died 1968 Victoria Australia mum Mary Ann Bray father Dann Clayton.

Maryb.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 29 Oct 2018 19:21

Thank you Mary. I'd assumed it was the Bournemouth one

Name: Mahala Taylor
Death Age: 97
Birth Date: 28 May 1893
Registration Date: Oct 1990
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 23
Page: 223

Haven't been able to look in detail at all the replies but hope to do so tomorrow.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Oct 2018 10:13

Just collecting the 2 military records together in one place

Name: Norman Aubrey Taylor
Birth Date: 6 Oct 1921 <<<<
Birth Place: Brighton Sussex England <<<<
Year Range: 1921 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Melbourne
Service Number: 13379
Father: Frank Taylor <<<<
Series Description: A9301: RAAF, NCOs and Other Ranks

the 1924 norman
Name: Aubrey Norman Taylor
Birth Date: 15 May 1924
Birth Place: Surry Hills New South Wales
Year Range: 1939 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Marrickville New South Wales
Service Number: N249318
Next of Kin: Irene Woodley
Series Description: B884: Army Citizen Military Forces

I'm inclined to think that there were 2 Aubrey Norman/Norman Aubrey Taylor's, the one who married Nancy Ethel Roediger being mine.

The burial being

BillionGraves Index
birth:6 October 1921 <<<<<
death:27 July 2010
burial:Bangholme, Victoria, Australia

Thank you so much for sorting it out!

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 30 Oct 2018 22:12

Norman was possibly adopted, Only child born 7 years after the marriage,

There is this:

Births Dec 1921
Hart Norman A Hart Steyning 2b 412

Rose

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 30 Oct 2018 22:34

Its certainly a possibility & Norman Hart seems a good fit. Thank you for the time taken to trawl through to find it!

Mary

Mary Report 31 Oct 2018 09:51

Someone with a closed tree on Ancestry has Norman Aubrey Hart born Steyning as Norman Aubrey Taylor!

It says Jason Graham's Family tree.

Maryb.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 31 Oct 2018 10:17

Interesting!

Its too early for the BC to amended, isn't it? Not really worth sending for the Hart BC. At least a message to the tree owner might bring a result, unless he's made the same assumptions as here.
Done - don't think the tree holder is necessarily related. They seem to have created the tree for someone else. As they live Down Under, it is in the right neck of the woods!

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 1 Nov 2018 10:23

alviegal asked if the Norman Aubrey Taylor who had the accident in Egypt was the 1924 one.

Looking up on a map, Maroubra is in NSW, while Warranambool is in Victoria. On that basis, he's likely to be the 1924 N.A.Taylor