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Olive Jean
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29 Jun 2020 23:38 |
Hi agian I ment I had seen a marriage from Family Search org But it didn’t state any Fathers on that one They some time do At the moment I think it’s long winded to buy one When the Nottingham Library opens They have Marriage Transcript for marriage s ( Sutton in Ashfield)
As I managed to get one For Henry Marsh and Mary Jane Blackwell Brown 10 th July 1937 Charles Marsh Father and Samual Brown Father Sometime ago Thankyou again Olive
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ArgyllGran
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29 Jun 2020 21:40 |
I thought you meant you had seen the actual marriage cert - but your last post sounds as though you haven't.
The only way to know for sure if he named a father or not would be to buy a copy.
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Olive Jean
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29 Jun 2020 19:06 |
Thankyou for your reply
Sometimes on Family Search org it gives you detail But not with this Marriage I did manage to find his mother and the other Marsh children most of them
Also his Grandfather and Grandmother I have been catching up with Family History during lockdown Bye for now and Thankyou agian Olive
:-P
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ArgyllGran
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29 Jun 2020 18:06 |
As Charles's marriage cert doesn't give his father's name either, as you say, then he definitely didn't know who his father was - and at least was honest enough not to invent a father's name as often happened.
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ArgyllGran
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29 Jun 2020 18:04 |
Her sister Harriett also had illegitimate children - Well/Will and Frederick at least are hers:
Sarah Marsh in the 1871 England Census Name: Sarah Marsh Age: 16 Estimated birth year: 1855 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Sutton in Ashfield Nottinghamshire England Civil Parish: Sutton in Ashfield County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Sutton in Ashfield ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 100 Piece: 3469 Folio: 59 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age John Marsh 64 Mary Marsh 62 Charles Marsh 38 Henry Marsh 30 Harriett Marsh 26 Sarah Marsh 16 Frank Marsh 7 - grandson Will Marsh 4 - grandson Elizabeth Marsh 2 - grand-daughter Rumanud Marsh 1/12 [ Frederick] - grandson
MARSH, ELIZABETH - GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 72
MARSH, FREDERICK - GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 67
MARSH, WELL - GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 66
MARSH, FRANK - GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 68
Harriett Lindley in the 1881 England Census Name: Harriett Lindley Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: James Lindley Gender: Female Where born: Sutton In Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Sutton in Ashfield County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: Workhouse Yard Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Seamer Registration district: Mansfield ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: Piece: 3315 Folio: 64 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age James Lindley 37 Harriett Lindley 34 William Lindley 14 Frederick Lindley 10 Annie Lindley 7 Fanny Lindley 6 John Lindley 3 James Lindley 1
She didn't marry James Lindley. In 1891 and 1901 she's still with him, (and another batch of children) but calling herself Marsh:
Harriett Marsh in the 1891 England Census Name: Harriett Marsh Gender: Female Age: 46 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1845 Spouse: James Lindley Child: Annie Marsh Fanny Marsh James Marsh Rebecca Marsh Mary Marsh Alfred Marsh Birth Place: Sutton, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Kirkby in Ashfield Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkby Residence Place: Kirkby in Ashfield, Kirkby in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Registration district: Basford Sub registration district: Greasley ED, Institution or Vessel: 15 Neighbors: Piece: 2662 Folio: 13 Household Members: Name Age James Lindley 48 Harriett Marsh 46 Annie Marsh 18 Fanny Marsh 16 James Marsh 12 Rebecca Marsh 9 Mary Marsh 7 Alfred Marsh 4
Harriett Marsh in the 1901 England Census Name: Harriett Marsh Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Sutton in Ashfield Town: Sutton in Ashfield County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Sutton in Ashfield ED, institution, or vessel: 05 Neighbors: Piece: 3137 Folio: 118 Page Number: 20 Household schedule number: 136 Household Members: Name Age James Lindley 53 Harriett Marsh 53 James Marsh 21 Rebecca Marsh 18 Mary Marsh 17 Alfred Marsh 15 William Lindley 48
A later marriage:
Harriett Lindley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Harriett Lindley Registration Year: 1910 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 644 Records on Page: Name Archer Haywood Harriett Lindley
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Olive Jean
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29 Jun 2020 17:55 |
Thankyou for your reply I realised that they must be illegitimate but wow so many On census 1881 they are living with they grandparent s I just thought some time it states on the Marriages re the Father unknown But I Havnt been able to find it on his marriage to Sarah Ellen Scothern 1903 Thankyou Olive
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ErikaH
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29 Jun 2020 17:19 |
You already knew that Sarah's Marsh children were illegitimate, so you must have realised you couldn't hope to find fathers' names
She must have had very tolerant parents!
Especially as Sarah's sister Eliza seems to have had a couple of illegitimate children as well
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ErikaH
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29 Jun 2020 17:02 |
So you want to find the father of the child born in 1881/2?
Have you looked for the child's birth?
easier to help if we have info laid out
Here's the 1891
Henry Haynes Head Married Male 30 1861 Colliery Labourer Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Sarah Haynes Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Mary A Marsh Daughter Single Female 18 1873 Hosiery Seamer Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England William Marsh Son Single Male 16 1875 Colliery Labourer Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England George Marsh Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Charles Marsh Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Frances Haynes Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Edward Haynes Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Emma Haynes Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Charles Bacon Lodger Single Male 19 1872 Colliery Labourer Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England
HAYNES, EMMA MARSH GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 67
MARSH, MARY ANN - GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 71
MARSH, CHARLES - GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 85
Charles and his Marsh siblings were all illegitimate, so you'll not be able to find out who their fathers were
Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%) HAYNES Henry Mansfield 7b 112 Marsh Sarah Mansfield 7b 112
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Olive Jean
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29 Jun 2020 16:40 |
Hi Everyone I wonder if I have entered this on the right page ? I am searching for Charles Marsh born 1881/2 Sutton in Ashfield Nottinghamshire (FATHER) I may have found his Mother Sarah Marsh Born 1854 Sutton in Ashfield Nottinghamshire On the 1891 Sarah has married Henry Haynes and Charles Marsh is on there Also with other children of Sarah Marsh also Haynes children Sarah Marsh Mother and Father = John M Marsh born 1806 - Mary Jackson 1807 both of Sutton in Ashfield Nottinghamshire Charles Marsh married Sarah Ellen Scothern 1903 Mansfield / Sutton in Ashfield Nottinghamshire Hope you can understand what I am on about Thankyou Olive
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ArgyllGran
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8 Feb 2019 09:48 |
Yes, of course, you're quite right, GG. I hadn't paid attention to Sam B's birth date.
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Olive Jean
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7 Feb 2019 23:34 |
Thankyou Once again Talk again soon Olive
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greyghost
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7 Feb 2019 23:20 |
Olive - EDITH Pike married Sam Brown.
I think the 1938 marriage is Sam Bakewell Brown not his Father who looks to have died 1935.
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Olive Jean
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7 Feb 2019 23:18 |
Just read the 1939 Register Thankyou Also the deaths for Sam Brown 1935 Edith Brown 1936 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
So the picture is fitting together Bye for now and Thankyou Olive
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Olive Jean
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7 Feb 2019 23:11 |
Hi Thankyou again So if Sam Brown married again 1938 Maybe Ethel Brown nee Pike had died
I just carnt believe what you all have found
You state that Jean Marsh Keane has changed her name on Register 15.5.1963 Would it be an Electrole Thankyou all again Olive
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greyghost
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7 Feb 2019 23:07 |
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Mar 1935 (>99%) Brown Sam 59 Mansfield 7b 118
Deaths Dec 1936 (>99%) Brown Edith 55 Mansfield 7b 103
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greyghost
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7 Feb 2019 23:03 |
AG - is that marriage for Sam Bakewell Brown - Gertrude is about his age - rather than for Sam Senior (or am i missing something?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Dec 1900 (>99%) Town Gertrude Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 121
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greyghost
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7 Feb 2019 22:57 |
Whoever completed the form appears to have Mary Jane's Year of birth wrong
Marsh Household (5 People) 13 West End , Sutton-in-Ashfield U.D., Nottinghamshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Mary Jane Marsh 13 Jul 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 234 2 Henry Marsh 11 Apr 1911 Male Coal Hewer (Heavy Worker) Below Married 234 1 Jean Keane (Marsh) 01 Dec 1937 Female Under School Age Single 234 3 Douglas Marsh 08 Mar 1939 Male Under School Age Single 234 4 Doreen Smith (Marsh) 31 Dec 1937 Female Under School Age Single 254 5 Ref: RG101/6241C/025/16 Letter Code: RNQL
Jean's change of name noted on register 15.5.1963 - not necessarily the date of marriage, but rather the date the change was notified.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Feb 2019 22:53 |
So is that a second marriage for Sam ??
Marriages Sep 1938 (>99%) Brown Sam B Town Mansfield 7b 256 Town Gertrude E Brown Mansfield 7b 256
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greyghost
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7 Feb 2019 22:53 |
Looks like Evelyn died young
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Jun 1914 (>99%) Brown Evelyn B 2 Mansfield 7b 111
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greyghost
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7 Feb 2019 22:49 |
1939 Register - ignore the "Bram" - a bad transcription of Brown !!
Brown (Bram) Household (2 People) 3 Willowlndyr Lane , Sutton-in-Ashfield U.D., Nottinghamshire, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Sam B Brown (Bram) 07 Aug 1904 Male Coal Hewer Married 190 1 Gertrude E Bram 12 Nov 1900 Female House Wife Married 190 2
same address but separate listing - Venice becomes King at some point, no dates on forms
3 Willowlndyr Lane , Sutton-in-Ashfield U.D., Nottinghamshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Venice B King (Brown) 26 Apr 1908 Female Hosiery Mender Single 191 1 Mabel E Bram 07 Sep 1917 Female Hosiery Seemer Single 191 2
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