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Lol Margaret! 'My bads' are getting more frequent lately! No worries

Gotta admit, Austin, I didn't go to the following page. I usually do but don't know why I didn't this time. As the youngsters say "My bad"

36 Clifford Street, Glasgow on the evaluation rolls:

MRS CATHERINE MACKINNON

Tenant

HOUSE 36 CLIFFORD STREET

GOVAN

1920

Margaret- I think he was a seaman travelling to European ports from 1900 to 1922 (not 1902).

If you look on the following page (the one with his photo) it shows evidence of his travels aboard the Trinidadian during 1919 & 1920.

Familysearch and Ellis Island records have his travling aboard that ship many times from 1917- 1920

The 1922 passport application also says he became a naturalised US citizen on 08/03/1900 at Norfolk, Virginia, and there's a photo of him..

John Mackinnon
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: John Mackinnon
Arrival Age: 53
Birth Date: abt 1869
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival date: 28 May 1922
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Queenstown, Ireland
Ship Name: Cedric
Shipping line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 115354

Proposed address in UK: 36 Clifford Street, Glasgow.
Occupation: engineer.

On his passport application in 1922 he states that he first emigrated to US in November 1895, that he resided for 27 years in New York except for 1900-1902 when he was a seaman on vessels traveling to European ports. he's a marine engineer and is planning to visit Scotland for 3 months for his general health. He intends to leave US aboard the SS Cedric 17 June 1922.

All that data is so cool, thank you very much all of you that has helped.

Craig

Johanna was born 9th November 1893- her parents were John Mackinnon (iron merchant) and Elizabeth Brotchie Thomson.

This is their marriage:

Marriage:
JOHN MACKINNON
ELIZABETH BROTC THOMSON
Year:1893
Ref: 646/2 145
RD name: Govan

Johanna was still living with her grandmother, Catherine, in 1911

family in 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
182, Finnieston Street, Barony, Anderston, Lanarkshire, Scotland

John MacKinnon Head Married Male 30 1841 Commercial Clerk Skye, Invernessshire, Scotland
Catherine MacKinnon Wife Married Female 30 1841 Wife Lochgilphead, Argyllshire, Scotland
Elizabeth M MacKinnon Daughter - Female 3 1868 - -
John MacKinnon Son - Male 1 1870 - Lanarkshire, Scotland
Alexander MacKinnon Son - Male 0 1871 - Lanarkshire, Scotland
Catherine MacDiarmie Mother-In-Law Widow Female 53 1818 - Invernessshire, Scotland
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Same family 1881:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sedan Place, 11, Govan, Govan Church, Lanarkshire, Scotland

John McKinnon Head Married Male 41 1840 - Iron Merchant
Catherine McKinnon Wife Married Female 41 1840 Argyllshire, Scotland
Elizabeth McKinnon Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1868 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scholar
John McKinnon Son - Male 11 1870 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Scholar
Neil Alexr McKinnon Son - Male 8 1873 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scholar
Catherine McKinnon Daughter - Female 7 1874 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scholar
Ann McKinnon Daughter - Female 4 1877 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Alexina McKinnon Daughter - Female 2 1879 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Catherine McDearmid Mother Widow Female 63 1818 - Annuitant
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Same family 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tulliallan Place, Govan, Plantation, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Catherine MacKinnon Head Widow Female 52 1839 Lochgilphead, Argyllshire, Scotland -
Elizabeth MacKinnon Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1868 Lanarkshire, School Teacher
John MacKinnon Son Unmarried Male 21 1870 Lanarkshire, Scotland Iron Merchant
Neil MacKinnon Son Unmarried Male 18 1873 Lanarkshire, Scotland Clerk
Kate MacKinnon Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1875 Lanarkshire, Scotland -
Annie MacKinnon Daughter - Female 14 1877 Lanarkshire, Scotland Scholar
Absina MacKinnon Daughter - Female 12 1879 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Scholar
Christina MacKinnon Daughter - Female 10 1881 Lanarkshire, Scotland Scholar
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Same family 1901- note Grandaughter, Johanna:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tulliallan Place, 3, Govan, Plantation, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Catherine MacKinnon Head Widow Female 63 1838 Lochgilphead, Argyllshire, Living On Own Means
Neil A MacKinnon Son Single Male 28 1873 Govan, Lanarkshire, Shipbroker's Clerk
Catherine MacKinnon Daughter Single Female 27 1874 Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland -
Annie MacKinnon Daughter Single Female 24 1877 Govan, Lanarkshire, Telephone Operator
Christina MacKinnon Daughter Single Female 20 1881 Govan, Lanarkshire, Pupil Teacher
Johanna MacKinnon Granddaughter - Female 7 1894 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scholar
Alexina MacKinnon Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Govan, Lanarkshire, Typist
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This is likely John snr's death:

JOHN MCKINNON
Age: 49
Year of death: 1889
Ref: 646/1 75
RD Name: Plantation

Look on Scotlands People for a marriage

It's not a subs site so folks can't find the info for you

What I am trying to find out is who did John marry when he left Scotland and went to San Diego California USA, as on the web site of John senior's grave you can reply to it and a woman in the USA did saying she was also a gg granddaughter, so he must of married again in possibly the same area as the reply came from.

Craig

John Mackinnon
United States Passport Applications
Name John Mackinnon
Event Type Passport Application
Event Date 1922
Event Place New York, United States
Birth Date 30 Aug 1869
Birthplace Scotland
Certificate Number 187929

same birth date

What are you asking us to try to help you with?

Just been told John son of John did marry in Scotland before he went to california.
He had a daughter called Johanna (spelling ?)
Came back to Scotland when she was 21 years old then died.
Sorry for not knowing anything else.
Thanks for the data anyway.

Craig

OK. Looking at the link, I find that Catherine is said to have died in 1924

The cemetery is said to be Necropolis iota in Glasgow

John Mackinnon
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name John Mackinnon
Gender Male
Birth Date 30 Aug 1869
Birthplace ANDERSTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name John Mackinnon
Mother's Name Catherine Mctavish

Time scale would make things easier

Also, what is your request, please?

John Married Catherine McTavish, he was 49 when he died and Catherine was 86. the following is the grave site, went to Scotland in May but could not locate grave site in the cemetery.
https://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=267602
A son also John apparently went to California and married who ??
When older he came back to Scotland to die, so we are told.
Not much data I'm afraid but is there any one who could help.

Craig
NZ