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Hello Greyghost,

Thank you for getting back to me, I have not been well but that is no excuse, for not thanking you for your help.
I know nothing of my Maternal Grandfather except what is on my Mother's birth certificate " Arthur Archibald Cupples" born Ireland.
I have found no marriage certificate for them, only that information on the 1916 Alberta Census. Some family members say the Archibald Cupples that is buried in NZ is my Grandfather, but I have no proof. I can't even find him entering Canada or USA in 1898 as stated on the Census. If any of this can be proved I would be over the moon.
I do thank you and everyone for your help, so sorry for my delay in responding.
Your help is greatly appreciated.

Kind Regards
Louise Tayler

I had sent a message to Grace yesterday asking her to return to the boards.

If Archie Senior and Sarah married in 1901 and young Archie was born October 1902 it would seem likely that Archie Senior travelled to Canada early 1902 at the latest.

Although you say he travelled to Canada in 1898 this would appear to be his journey
dated 4th July 1902. Once settled and working Sarah and Archie followed him out in 1905. The 1911 census would be more accurate in that it gives his immigration year as 1901.

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

Province Quebec
First name(s) Archibald
Last name Cuppels
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 22
Birth year 1880
Marital status S
Occupation TAILOR
Departure year 1902
Departure day 4
Departure month 7
Departure port Londonderry
Destination port Quebec
Destination QUEBEC
Country Canada
Destination country Canada
Ship name Tunisian
Ship master's first name A H
Ship master's last name VIPOND
Shipping line ALLAN LINE
City LONDONDERRY
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 16475
Ship registered tonnage 6802
Number of passengers 35
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Great Britain, UK Other, Canada, Americas

Archie attested to the CEF in Edmonton, Alberta in 1915 whilst Sarah at this time is recorded as living in Toronto - the other side of the Country.

Perhaps he had once again gone on ahead looking for work and there met Grace and set up another family. There may have been no marriage as he wasn't free to do so, but for appearances they said they were.

For Sarah and Archie to have received an allowance from the Army he would have to have declared his marriage to her (Sarah)

On his return to Canada post WW1 he gives the address for any monies to go to as Fresno, USA - where Sarah (and Archie) went to her F-in-Law after crossing the border in 1918.

So that seems to tie up that pairing. At some point after this it would seem the family emigrate to NZ and are found in Auckland by 1938 at the latest.

What information would the death certificates yield?

There are 2 listings on the Canadian passenger lists, one for Arch'd Cupples born abt. 1880, arriving 1902, the other for Arch Cuples born abt. 1879, arriving 1904. In both cases he's a tailor born County Down and heading for Winnipeg.

Archie arriving USA in 1920. Says he's going to join wife Sarah Cupples in Fresno, California.


Archie Cupples
in the Washington, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1965Name:
Archie Cupples
[Archie Goodall]
Gender:
Male
Nationality:
Irish
Arrival Age:
39
Birth Date:
1881
Birth Place:
Banbridge, Ireland
Last Residence:
Alta
Departure Place:
Victoria, British Columbia
Arrival date:
Feb 1920
Arrival Place:
Seattle, Washington

In the meantimes this looks to be Father and family in 1911 ??

Census Years1911DownBanbridge West UrbanNewry StreetResidents of a house

Residents of a house 72 in Newry Street (Banbridge West Urban, Down)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Cupples David 52 Male Head of Family Baptist Down Tailor Read and write - Married - 33 - -
Cupples Margret Jane 52 Female Wife Baptist Down - Read and write - Married - 33 12 9
Cupples Maud 15 Female Daughter Baptist Down Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Cupples May 13 Female Daughter Baptist Down Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Cupples Lilley 11 Female Daughter Baptist Down Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Cupples David 27 Male Son Baptist Down Tailor Read and write - Married - - - -
Cupples Margret 32 Female Wife Baptist England - Read and write - Married - 7 3 3
Cupples Florrie 5 Female - Baptist Down Scholar - - Single - - - -
Cupples Archie 8 Male - Baptist England - - - Single - - - -
Cupples Evlin Female - Baptist Down - - - Single - - - -

Which is odd as the family travel 1/11/1913 from Liverpool to New York saying they intend to reside in USA - BUT David 56 is listed as a Jeweller. With him are Margaret 56, Maud 18, May 16 and Lillie 14 so looks to be same family. The census also has them as Baptist, but Archie says he is Presbyterian, quite a difference.

Name: David Cupples
Gender: Male
Age: 56
Birth Date: abt 1857
Departure Date: 1 Nov 1913
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Caronia
Search Ship Database: Search for the Caronia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 126126
Master: Chas H Smith

Again in 1923 arriving USA to join wife Sarah in Fresno. On this record he says he first arrived in Canada 1899 aboard the Tunissian (sp).


Archie Copples
in the Washington, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1965
Name:
Archie Copples
Gender:
Male
Nationality:
Canadian
Arrival Age:
39
Birth Date:
abt 1884
Birth Place:
Banbridge Ireland
Arrival date:
1923

The younger David on that 1911 census and wife Margaret - she was born in England

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) DAVID
Last name CUPPLES
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1904
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DAVID CUPPLES married
Margaret James Young
District Birkenhead
District number -
County Cheshire
Country England
Volume 8A
Volume as transcribed 8A
Page number 945

? Coincidence as Grace's daughter was Margaret Young (Grace's death cert)

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Name FLORENCE CUPPLES
Date of Birth 17 February 1906
Group Registration ID 289459
SR District/Reg Area Banbridge
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname YOUNG

Image shows birth registered as Florence Margaret d/o David Cupples a Tailor of Bainbridge and Margaret Jane Cupples formerly Young.


Name EVELYN CUPPLES
Date of Birth 04 September 1910
Group Registration ID 275366
SR District/Reg Area Banbridge
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname YOUNG

Not seeing Archie's registration

Not sure if this helps at all?

MARRIAGES.
Otago Daily Times, Issue 19577, 5 September 1925

CUPPLES—JOPSON.—On June 3, 1925, at St. Matthew’s Church. Auckland, by the Rev. Thos. Southworth, Archibald, only son of Mr and Mrs A. Cupples, Auckland, to Stella Melva, third daughter of Peter and the lato Mabel (Rush) Jopson, Auckland, Present address; 30 Hepburn street, Auckland

Dea x

PM from Louise

I have come to the conclusion that they never married., as you have. My Grandmother never spoke of him except that he died when my mother was very young. it would be nice to confirm one way or the other but I guess this is not possible. I will keep checking but thank you for all you and the others have done

Regards
Louise Tayler

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Louise - you should remove your email address where you've put it within the thread. People can reply to you on the thread or send a personal message through the system. The site is not secure, anyone can pick the details up which is why GR say you shouldn't too.

Likewise, it's better that you put your replies onto the thread so everyone can see them

An answer on RootsChat as to what information is to be found on a NZ death certificate - although for 1916 it probably still applies.

Re: What info is on a NZ death certificate please?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 May 06 09:51 BST (UK) »

First/given Name
Surname
Name if different from Above
Date of death
Place of Death
Cause of Death

Name of Certifying Doctor
Date last seen alive by certifying Doctor
Sex
Age and date of Birth
Place of Birth
If not born in NZ number of years lived here
Usual home address
Occupation
Date of Burial or Cremation Place of Burial or Cremation
Age of each daughter
age of each son


Mother First name
Mother Surname
given name at birth

Father First name
Father Surname
given name at birth

Relationship Status at time of death
Age of Deceased at event
Place of Marriage/ civil union

Spouse/ Partner First given name
Surname family name
Age if living

Got this for my Greatgrandmother who died in 1916 hope this helps

most question are answered providing the person giving the information knows all these details

In New Zealand from at least 1925

New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1925 Transcription

First name(s) Archibald
Last name Cupples
Electoral year 1925
Number 2440
Occupation/status Tailor
Residence 171 Ponsonby Road
Electorate Auckland West
Qualification -
Record set New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1925
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Collections from Australasia

Same address - Sarah and Archibald Junior a Plumber

I have been looking at the arrival in Canada of Grace Hamilton McLean and find she travelled on the Ionian July 1911 with her sister Mrs John Watson and child Willie Watson ....I believe the sisters name was "Sarah" .she gave her address as 6**8 Howe St Vancouver (cant quite make number out)...her husband was a Carpenter also acompanying her was a Finlay Watson..Possible Bro.in.Law.
Vermont Border Crossing shows Grace H Mclean to be a tailoress and her fare was paid by Archie Cupples.previous address shows Chilliwack so don't know if that meant Grace had been earlier to Canada or if it refers to Sister...she certainly must have known Archie prior to 1911 for him to pay her fare.it may be worth checking out her Sisters details. Is it possible that Archie was Scottish and not Irish....I cannot find an Arthur Archibald at all.

Hello,
I understand that My grandmother came to Canada with her sister Sarah Orr Watson and Sarah's son William. I don't think she came before that. She did reside in Chilliwack at some time. As for my great Aunt I don't think she came before either.

I have always been told my Grandfather was Irish and this is also stated on my mother's birth certificate. Like yourself I can't find an Arthur Archibald Cupples at all.

As my Grandmother never spoke of Archie and my Mother never knew him as she was told he died when she was very young., this is a mystery to me.

Thank you for your help
Regards
Louise

Hello,
I understand that My grandmother came to Canada with her sister Sarah Orr Watson and Sarah's son William. I don't think she came before that. She did reside in Chilliwack at some time. As for my great Aunt I don't think she came before either.

I have always been told my Grandfather was Irish and this is also stated on my mother's birth certificate. Like yourself I can't find an Arthur Archibald Cupples at all.

As my Grandmother never spoke of Archie and my Mother never knew him as she was told he died when she was very young., this is a mystery to me.

Thank you for your help
Regards
Louise

Canada Census 1911 Transcription
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First name(s) Last name Sex Birth year Birth place Relationship to head of household
Archie Cupples Male 1877 Ireland Head aged 34 Transcription
Sarah Cupples Female 1879 Ireland Wife aged 32. Transcription
Archie Cupples Male 1902 Ireland Son.aged 8

Archie birth month,April.
Sarah birth month May,
Archie birth month October,(Angus)?

Archie a tailor,

Date of immigration,

Sarah and Archie jnr, 1904,
Archie snr 1901?

Religion,,Baptists.




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First name(s) Archie
Last name Cupples
Sex Male
Birth year 1877
Birth date Apr 1877
Birth place Ireland
Birth place as transcribed Ireland
Race or Tribe Irish
Marital status Married
Relationship to head of household Head
Year 1911
Immigration year 1901
Family number 292
Subdistrict name Alexander Orphanage
Subdistrict number 44
District name Vancouver, Vancouver North, Vancouver South
District number 12
Province British Columbia
Country Canada
Film T-20337
Page number 29
Image source Image at Library and Archives Canada
Record set Canada Census 1911
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Canada, Americas