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Hi, I left this in the air a few years ago and now have a bit more time on my hands. I was wondering if anybody has sussed out the trail from the Spencer's of Coventry (my Great Grandma was Harriet Spencer (born 1876) who married John Haycock - presumably in Coventry. Big gaps on my family tree...I think the following is incorrect:

1. The father of Harriet Spencer is suspected to be Thomas Spencer? Born 1852 who married a Hannah? Surname unknown.

2. Thomas Spencer's Father is suspected to be also called Thomas Spencer, born 1825 who married Mary Ann Holmes.

3. Thomas Spencer born 1825, is suspected to have a father also called Thomas Spencer born in 1795 - not sure who he married.

I suspect that these three points are wrong but if anybody can shine a light on it and help me with getting the generations right, i'd be very grateful.

Thanks and Kind Regards,

Ben.

I have to go out- but will be back shortly.

Just for reference:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 Leicester Causeway Coventry, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

John Haycock Head Married Male 39 1872 Coventry Warwick Labourer
Harriett Haycock Wife Married Female 35 1876 Coventry Warwick -
Harry Eyre Boarder Single Male 28 1883 Leeds Yorks Fitter

married 7 years, one child born, one died.

Child that died:

Birth:
HAYCOCK, MABEL (mother's maiden name: SPENCER)
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in COVENTRY Volume 06D Page 540
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1939 register:

Haycock Household (3 People) 6 Somerset Road , Coventry C.B., Warwickshire, England

John Haycock 03 Jan 1872 Male Electrical Crane Inspector Married
Harriet Haycock 07 Aug 1875 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Maud V (Vera M) Bailey (Haycock) 12 Mar 1915 Female Typist Single

This would be her birth then - what a lovely maiden name !!!

SPENCER, HARRIET CAKEBREAD Order
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in COVENTRY Volume 06D Page 512

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Her parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
Cakebread Elizabeth Ann Coventry 6d 832 Scan available - click to view
Spencer Thomas Coventry 6d 832 Scan available - click to view

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Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Haycock Vera M Spencer Coventry 6d 1347


Marriages Jun 1940 (>99%)
Bailey Bernard C Haycock Coventry 6d 2657 Scan available - click
Haycock Vera M Bailey Coventry 6d 2657


Vera Maud Bailey in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Vera Maud Bailey
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1915
Registration Date: Nov 1993
Registration district: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Register Number: A47A
District and Subdistrict: 4161A


Vera Maud Bailey in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Vera Maud Bailey
Death Date: 2 Nov 1993
Death Place: Plymouth Devon
Probate Date: 17 Dec 1993
Registry: Bristol

Of 6 St Helens Walk, Whittle, Plymouth, Devon.....Not exceeding £125000


Bernard C Bailey on the 1939 Register
Bailey Household (7 People)
187 Stoney Stanton Road , Coventry C.B., Warwickshire, England

Bernard C Bailey 05 Nov 1913 Male Shop Assistant Gents Outfitter Single 132 3
Bromley J Bailey 19 Mar 1879 Male Printer Linotype Operator Married 132 1
Eveline E Bailey 08 Mar 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 132 2
Edna W Grute (Bailey) 01 Mar 1918 Female Ironer Laundry Single 132 4
Alan F Bailey 11 Feb 1922 Male Assistant Van Man Laundry Single 132 5
Dorothy (Irene) Beange (Bailey) 26 Oct 1923 Female Ironer Laundry Single 132 6
Denis R Bailey 26 Oct 1923 Male Poster Sigh Writer Single 132 7

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Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
Haycock John Coventry 6d 1045
Spencer Harriet Coventry 6d 1045


SPENCER, HARRIET MMN CAKEBREAD
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in COVENTRY Volume 06D Page 512


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Leicester Street, Coventry Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Thomas Spencer Head Married Male 39 1852 Warwickshire, England Watch Finisher Transcription
Hannah E Spencer Wife Married Female 39 1852 Warwickshire, England - Transcription
Mary A Spencer Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Warwickshire, England Silk Weaver Transcription
Harriet Spencer Daughter Single Female 15 1876 Warwickshire, England Card Lacer Transcription
Lizzie Spencer Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Warwickshire, England Scholar Transcription
Emma Spencer Daughter - Female 8 1883 Warwickshire, England Scholar Transcription
James T Spencer Son - Male 3 1888 Warwickshire, England - Transcription
Alfred Spencer Son - Male 0 1891 Coventry, Warwickshire, England -


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
60, Leicester Street, Coventry Holy Trinity (With St Peter), Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Thomas Spencer Head Married Male 29 1852 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Watch Finisher Transcription
Hannah Spencer Wife Married Female 29 1852 Coventry, Warwickshire, England - Transcription
Mary Ann Spencer Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Scholar Transcription
Harriett Spencer Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Scholar Transcription
William T Spencer Son Single Male 3 1878 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Scholar Transcription
Lizzie Spencer Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Coventry, Warwickshire, England -

I am not seeing a marriage registered for Thomas Spencer to a Hannah E Cakebread.

Only this one......


Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
Cakebread Elizabeth Ann Coventry 6d 832
Spencer Thomas Coventry 6d 832


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12 Drapers Fields Coventry, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Thomas Spencer Head Married Male 59 1852 Coventry Warwicks Watch Finisher Transcription
Hannah Elizabeth Spencer Wife Married Female 59 1852 Coventry Warwicks - Transcription
James Thomas Spencer Son Single Male 23 1888 Coventry Warwicks Stores Assistant Transcription
Alfred Spencer Son Single Male 20 1891 Coventry Warwicks Iron Polisher Transcription
Herbert Timerick Son-In Law Married Male 34 1877 Coventry Warwicks Labouring Transcription
Lizzie Timerick Daughter Married Female 31 1880 Coventry Warwicks - Transcription
Eliza Mascord Lodger Widow Female 66 1845 Kenilworth Dress Maker

Married 40 years......10 children born, 6 living, 4 had died.


Thomas Spencer in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Thomas Spencer
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: abt 1852
Registration Date: Sep 1929
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 583


Hannah E Spencer in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Hannah E Spencer
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: abt 1852
Registration Date: Dec 1935
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 769

Thomas Spencer in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Thomas Spencer
Registration Year: 1852
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 374

This is her with her family in 1901:


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12, Drapers Field, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Thomas Spencer Head Married Male 40 1861 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Watchmaker Finisher - year of birth should be c1851!!
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Hannah E Spencer Wife Married Female 49 1852 Coventry, Warwickshire, England -
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Harriett Spencer Daughter Single Female 26 1875 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Ribbon Weaver
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Lizzie Spencer Daughter Single Female 21 1880 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Ribbon Weaver
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Emma Spencer Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Ribbon Weaver
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James Spencer Son Single Male 13 1888 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Cycle Trade
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Alfred Spencer Son Single Male 10 1891 Coventry, Warwickshire, England School

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Hannah Elizabeth Cakebread in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Hannah Elizabeth Cakebread
Registration Year: 1852
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Coventry
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 348


CAKEBREAD, HANNAH ELIZABETH MMN HUNT
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in COVENTRY Volume 06D Page 348

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court 4, 4, Leicester Street, Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

William Cakebread Head Married Male 50 1811 Plush Weaver Bloxham, Oxfordshire, England Transcription
Martha Cakebread Wife Married Female 53 1808 Charwoman Oxfordshire, England Transcription
Caleb Cakebread Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Plush Weaver Coventry, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Joshua Cakebread Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Picker Up Ribbon Trade Coventry, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Hannah Elizabeth Cakebread Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Coventry, Warwickshire, England


William Cakebread in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: William Cakebread
Gender: Male
Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Dec 1835
Marriage Place: Cropredy, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Cropredy
Spouse: Martha Hunt
Witnesses: Robert and Eliza? Hunt

??

William Cakebread in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Cakebread
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 16 Nov 1810
Baptism Place: Protestant Dissenters OR Presbyterian,Bloxham and Milton,Oxford,England
Father: Robert Cakebread
Mother: Elizabeth


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
West Orchard, Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

William Cakebread Male 30 1811 - Plush Weaver
Martha Cakebread Female 30 1811 -
Harriett Cakebread Female 12 1829 -
William Cakebread Male 7 1834 -
Elizabeth Cakebread Female 0 1841 Warwickshire, England

??

Robert Cakebread in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Robert Cakebread
Gender: Male
Marriage or Bann Date: 27 Nov 1803
Marriage Place: Bloxham, Oxfordshire, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Walker

Birth:
SPENCER, THOMAS mmn: HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in COVENTRY Volume 06D Page 374

Marriage of parents:
Name: Thomas Spencer
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage or Bann Date: 28 Feb 1847
Marriage or Bann Place: Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire, England
Parish: Coventry, Holy Trinity
Spouse: Mary Ann Holmes
Father: George Spencer (Weaver) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse father: Samuel Holmes (Weaver)

England, Births & Baptisms

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Spencer
Gender Male
Baptism year 1824
Baptism date 05 Jan 1824
Place Coventry
County Warwickshire
Country England
Father's name(s) George Spencer (weaver)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's first name(s) Ann
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Possible marriage of George and Ann:

England Marriages
First name(s) George
Last name Spencer
Marriage year 1815
Marriage date 23 Jan 1815
Marriage place Coventry
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Eaves
County Warwickshire

Thomas before his marriage:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
East Street, Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Spencer Head - Male 46 1825 - Warwickshire, England - silk weaver
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Mary Ann Spencer Wife - Female 45 1826 - Warwickshire, England
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Thomas Spencer Son - Male 19 1852 - Warwickshire, England - watch maker
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William H Spencer Son - Male 13 1858 - Warwickshire, England
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John Spencer Son - Male 10 1861 - Warwickshire, England
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Eliza Spencer Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Warwickshire, England
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James Spencer Son - Male 0 1871 - Warwickshire, England

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Well, I certainly haven't read through it all but on first glance this site seems to link up the Coventry Spencers to Althorpe.

I have a feeling you will have to plod through many pages to sort out just how though.

http://www.thebridgesgroup.org.uk/node/20

Have to go out soon but will read through it later.

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Hello lovely people!

I am incredibly moved how you have been so kind and jumped in and bought my family back to life in your own little ways, I can picture those places in Coventry as I know them (Draper's Field, Stoney Stanton Road, Dorset Road) and their trades! Samuel is also one of my favourite names so it's nice to know we have one of those too!

I'm struggling a touch with putting this together and understanding whether there is any confusion or whether kind contributors are at a consensus so far?

Dates are a nightmare for me because of my mathematical dyslexia (it sort of doesn't fit very easily in my head). This is confused by the possibility of more than one Thomas, would anybody be kind enough to help me dissect all of this in a way that it can be added on to the family tree for the benefit of others please? If I can be of any use in return, to you, please let me know.

I will have a looksy at the link re Spencers (Coventry ) to Spencer's (Althorpe) too! I have a rough idea but i'd love to clarify it with people who know how to describe these connections (such as "removed", "Direct Descendants" "Indirect Descendants" etc :-)

Thanks so much, once again,

Ben x

Sorry, this makes total sense now! Just gone through it slowly adding everything to the family tree. It would be great if we could go back further but I guess this is going to be somewhat difficult due to the need for parish records....

Thanks and Kind Regards,

Ben.

I also read through the Bridges Group website - rather fascinating but what this sadly doesn't do is give the family details - siblings, fathers, mother's dates etc.

I have a funny feeling that we need another two or three generations at most before the tree joins up with the official Althorpe Tree....

Thoroughly stuck as is Dorothy who is the only other person that appears to have traveled this line, I have got as far as George Spencer married Ann Eaves on 23 January 1815 at St Michael's (Now Coventry Cathedral). As I say, I suspect, with the timing of the building of Althorp and the business connections between Coventry and Wormleighton through Sir John Spencer (shortly before Althorp was renovating whilst he was staying in Ladbrook) that the connecting person on the Althorp tree is likely to go back two generations, three at the most. So, if there are any details of parents and Grandparents and siblings at each stage, that would be awesome and I'd be most grateful.

Thanks and Kind Regards,

Benjamin-Elijah.

Please could someone either prove or disprove the following theory:

George Spencer
England, Warwickshire, Parish Registers, 1535-1984

christening: 27 October 1797 Southam, Warwickshire, England
father: John Spencer (Sir John?)
mother: Frances Spencer

Married: Ann Eaves in Coventry on 23 January 1815.

This likely means that John is one of the Sir John's but we need to clarify it - don't forget the Aristocratic Spencer's were knocking about just before Althorpe was developed not so far from Southam and Southam is likely to be a district registry, at least at that time.

Thanks :)

Ben's earlier thread on this family:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1302263