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(some Dern info. on above)

Chris :)

Remember that ages of those over 15 were rounded down on the 1841 census to 5 or 0, so age shown as 35 could be 35-39. Likewise age 15 could be 15-19.

I think I had Anne Derns parents right at Joseph Dern (etc ) & Elizabeth walkway or again several diff spellings Walklate etc

Hi yes I’d seen that 1841 census before & tried to work back from Ann’s Parents but because of all the mis spelling Durn , Dean - Dern etc etc it was impossible

Could be? if the age was out on marriage, it is closer to the age on census, mistranscribed as Devin but is Durn on image?

View 1841 England Census

Name: Ann Devin
[Ann Dern]
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Hundred: North Pirehill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Lane End
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 991
Book: 6
Folio: 32
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Devin 35
Elizabeth Devin 35
William Devin 15
Ann Devin 15
Mary Devin 12
Joseph Devin 9
Sarah Devin 6
Richard Devin 5
Ellen Devin 3
Maria Devin 9 Mo

Oh ok thank you :)

If that's the right census then they both gave wrong age on marriage cert?

Ohhh right George was a widower I nvr saw the - so could his birth year be the 1819 one then ?

(some on below)

Chris :)

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1860
BIRKS Maria DEURN Fenton Stoke-On-Trent FEN/011/093

As George was a widower on the marriage cert I might suggest he was less than honest about his age when marrying Ann? which would tie in with the 1861 census being closer to his real age?

NYX yes that’s them 1861

Yeh think Deerl should be Dearn or Dean

For my ref

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17, Fenton Park, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

George Birks Head Married Male 42 1819 Furnace Over Man Tittensor, Staffordshire, England
Ann Birks Wife Married Female 38 1823 - Trentham, Staffordshire, England
Henry Birks Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Furnace... Longton, Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Birks Daughter - Female 10 1851 At Home Longton, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Birks Son - Male 8 1853 At Home Longton, Staffordshire, England
Richard Birks Son - Male 5 1856 - Longton, Staffordshire, England
Mary Birks Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Staffordshire, England
Maria Birks Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Staffordshire, England

Ahhh so they could actually be from Wolverhampton
:)

England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Richard Or Ricardus
Last name Birks
Birth date 08 Mar 1856
Birth year 1856
Baptism year 1856
Baptism date 31 Mar 1856
Church St Gregory
Parish Longton
Deanery North Staffordshire
Diocese Birmingham
County Staffordshire
Father's first name(s) Georgii
Father's last name Birks
Mother's first name(s) Ann Deern
Archive Birmingham Archdiocesan Archives
Archive reference P270/1/3
Records year range 1855-1866
Document type Baptisms & conditional baptisms
Record set England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Presumably mistranscribed?

BIRKS, RICHARD DEERL Order
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 172

looks like his mother was elizabeth

i posted census with a mother elizabeth found a marriage for them i think thats them in 1841 census they dont give true age on the 1841 census

My direct descendant is Richard BIRKS b 18554/55 approx in Fenton stoke On Trent

What does it say for Birthplace for him on Census? (I seem to have viewed 1851 Marriage before, got that 'Tick'!)

Chris :)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(if anything on above)

Just for ref are these the children of George and Ann ( to place them on census)


Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
BIRKS, AARON DEARN Order
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 163 Order
BIRKS, JAMES DEARN Order
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 200

BIRKS, CAROLINE DEARN Order
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 189