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Not seeing anything online relating to a Burial for that 2 year old...

Elusive this lot, lol...and Edgar born 1862, not seeing his Birth, but below...

Birth
PROSSER, JAMES (ARNOTT)
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 57

Chris :)

Thanks Chris. I am fairly certain that is the right James. I thought I found the marriage somewhere. Must check through my disorderly notes again!

It is Isaac who has been mainly bugging me for some time as he would be my gg grandfather.

I did wonder if the Harriet Jane who died age 2 in the ne of England was any connection.

Greyghost. Yes I did have that census thanks but had not written down the address.

So looks like Married here?, but wasn't 'away' too long...

Edits (just to add, not the 1853 Abergavenny Marriage, his Father was James)

Chris :)

(occ. Jobbing Smith 1861, could be him below)

Monmouthshire Merlin 29th September 1860

EMPLOYMENT.—Mary Ann Galliers, iron- monger, Abergavenny, charged James Prosser, a smith, with having left her employment contrary to agreement. Mr. Sayce appeared for complainant, and Mr. Price for defendant.- Complainant said that defendant was in her employment when Mr. Reece managed her business...



1881 (Find My Past) (Reference)
James Prosser Head Married Male 53 1828 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Blacksmith Journeyman
Elizabeth Prosser Wife Married Female 45 1836 Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
Edgar Prosser Son Single Male 19 1862 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Loco Engine Cleaner
Emma Prosser Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales No Occupation
Jennett Prosser Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
Oscar Prosser Son Single Male 7 1874 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
Alice Prosser Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
Frederick Elliott Visitor Single Male 14 1867 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England No Occupation
Roger Prosser Boarder Widower Male 64 1817 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Tailor Journeyman
7, Prospect Road, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire


1871 (Find My Past)
James Prosser Head - Male 43 1828 - Monmouthshire, Wales (Blacksmith)
Elizabeth Prosser Wife - Female 34 1837 - Glamorgan, Wales
George Prosser Son - Male 14 1857 - United States
Edgar Prosser Son - Male 8 1863 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Emma Prosser Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Jennatt Prosser Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Fredrick James Boarder - Male 3 1868 - Gloucestershire, England
Merthyr Road, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire


Birth
PROSSER, EMMA JANE (ARNOTT)
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 55

Birth
PROSSER, JANET ELIZABETH (ARNOTT)
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 62

Birth
PROSSER, OSCAR (ARNOTT)
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 57

Birth
PROSSER, ALICE (ARNOTT)
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 52

1861
James Prosser 33 - born Abergavenny
Elizabeth Prosser 26 - born Bridgend
Robert Z Prosser 8 - born N America (can't quite make out place)
George A Prosser 5 - born Port Providence

Living at 4 merthyr street Abergavenny

What do you know of Brother James?, was he there for 1860 US Census (Robert not jumping out!)

Chris :)

(at below 1841 (with Roger, Isaac etc.) Birth about 1831)

Frogmore Street, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,

You may well be right about the death but -

many births registered after Father dies, left etc but still in his name. Looked much better than Illegitimate and who's to say who actually registered a birth - I don't think any proof was required !

However, have at last found the 1861 census, badly written and therefore transcribed wrongly. Harriet does say here she is married. Posting for info, you say you have Emma on all census, so must have this one

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
..., Matheson Road, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Harriet Grosser Head Married Female 33 1828 Laundress Wiltshire, England
Emma Grosser Daughter - Female 1 1860 - -
Albert Ballard Nephew - Male 8 1853 Scholar Bath, Somerset, England

I wonder if the death in the Bridgewater district in 1860 age 34 could be my isaac. I had not thought of looking elsewhere before. (more experienced now then when I was last looking).

Methinks it might be worth sending for that one.

Edit - no just found the probate matching that one and he was a master mariner

greyghost - on Emma's birth certificate Isaac is not just named as the father he is the person who registered the birth in 1859 so not the death in 1855.

Unfortunately the 1871 street name is fairly illegible but I think it says Victoria Street so that workhouse record looks right, presumably the hospital section. She was a laundres so probably prone to infections such as bronchitis.The Robert (nephew) is the son of Isaac's brother James.

in both 81 & 91 they are living at 52 Merthyr Street

I have not got Harriet's death certificate but I think the death in 1898 is the right one.

Thanks for the intro to that newspaper Chris. I have not seen it before

Below also...

Chris :)

Wales, Monmouthshire Workhouse Registers, 1843-1929 (Find My Past)

Prosser Harriet — 1870 Wales, Monmouthshire Workhouse Registers, 1843-1929

(also 1869)

(Medical Officers Relief Book) age 42, Victoria St., Bronchitis)


(on that 1871 Marriage Notice (Workhouse Register) Thomas, Bachelor, occ. Plasterer. Harriett, Widow. Dwelling Place, Abergavenny for both)


Monmouthshire Merlin 20th October 1871

ABERGAVENNY CHARGE OF STEALING OIL. Robert Prosser, William Wenlock...young men, were indicted for attempting to steal oil, the property of the London and Northern Western Railway Company, at Abergavenny on the...

(probably matches his occ. on 1871, Engine Cleaner)


08 April 1898 - Abergavenny Chronicle - Abergavenny, Gwent, Wales

Death
PROSSER - On the 4th inst., at Bridge Cottages, Llanfoist. Harriet, widow of Isaac Prosser, iron moulder, aged 70.

EDIT - no, can't be, your OP says he registered Emma's birth in 1859.
(No proof required though). will leave as a thought.

The 1851 census only shows 2 Isaac Prossers of the right age +/- 2 years to be this death.

One is "yours" with parents in Abergavenny 1851 aged 16 and a 17 year old Isaac an Iron Stone Miner ,b Bristol in Llanwenarth Ultra, Abergavenny


Name: Age at Death (in years):
PROSSER, ISAAC 32 Order
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 21

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This I suspect to be the b Bristol one. Original states pob to be Winterbourne, Glos.
(Winterbourne is on the Northern fringe of Britol according to wikipedia)

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Market Street, Blaenavon, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Isaac Prosser Head Married Male 27 1834 Coal Miner -
Charlotte Prosser Wife Married Female 26 1835 Coal Miner Wife -
George Prosser Son Unmarried Male 4 1857 Scholar -
John Prosser Son Unmarried Male 2 1859 - -
Eli Furley Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1840 Coal Miner -

The 'marriage' isn't registered - the info above is a marriage 'notice'

There are so many Prosser families in the area, most of them with similar names.

I don't think the marriage to Thomas is the right one. I have Harriet, still a widow, in both 1881 and 1891. Though she does have a Thomas boarding with he but age 44 in 81 and 50 in 91!

Charles C - Harriet was a servant in bath in 1851

I suspect that the harriet in that article Chris is a different one, but who knows it might be right

Stated as widow 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
52, Merthyr Road, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Harriet Prosser Head Widow Female 53 1828 Bromham, Wiltshire, England Laundress
Emma Prosser Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Laundress
Thomas Prosser Boarder Single Male 44 1837 Brecknockshire, Wales Plasterer

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
52, Merthyr Road, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Harriet Prosser Head Widow Female 53 1828 Bromham, Wiltshire, England Laundress Transcription
Emma Prosser Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Laundress Transcription
Thomas Prosser Boarder Single Male 44 1837 Brecknockshire, Wales Plasterer Transcription

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First name(s) Harriet
Last name Prosser
Role Bride
Age 42
Birth year 1829
Marital status w
Year 1871
Marriage date 11 Sep 1871
Marriage place Llanwenarth Church, Llanwenarth Citra
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's last name Prosser
Spouse's age 32
Spouse's marital status b
Archive Gwent Archives / Archifau Gwent
Volume -
Date range 1863-1874
Record set Wales, Monmouthshire Marriage Notices 1859-1877
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

If her below?...

Chris :)

Monmouthshire Merlin 17th February 1866

ABERGAVENNY.
POLICE COURT, WEDNESDAY.—[Before C. Bailey, Esq.]—Mary Ann Jones, Harriett Prosser, and Ann Jones, frail sisters, were charged with indecently be- having themselves.-Prosser, who is an old offender, was sentenced to one month's imprisonment, hard…

http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

(worth a look on above)


Monmouthshire Merlin 20th December 1870

ABERGAVENNY.
EXTRAORDINARY CHARGE GF LIBEL.—At the Police Court, on Wednesday last, Isaac Prosser was charged with a libel on Mr. Jones...


Prosser Albert Charles Parsons 1852 — 1874 (17th August 1874) Yorkshire Marriages Doncaster, Christ Church, Yorkshire (West Riding), England (Find My Past)
Father, Isaac Prosser, occ. Moulder)

Albert b pre marriage (no mmn given)

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BALLARD, ALBERT CHARLES PARSONS - Order
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in BATH Volume 05C Page 737

PROSSER, HARRIET JANE BALLARD Order
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in MELKSHAM Volume 05A Page 105

I would guess that Albert Prosser is Albert Charles Parsons Ballard born in district Bath in 1853 mmn Ballard

greyghost - thanks - I had forgotten that one - it is on a different page of my notes. Must organise this family better. I have not looked at this branch for over 6 years

I do have Emma's birth certificate as she is my great grandmother

If this is Harriett in 1871, the original shows her to be a Widow

Harriett b Bramham, Wilts,
Albert b Bath
Emma b Abergavenny

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Victoria Street, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Harriett Prosser Head - Female 43 1828 - Wiltshire, England
Albert C Prosser Son - Male 18 1853 - Somerset, England
Emma Prosser Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Robert Prosser Nephew - Male 18 1853 - United States

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
PROSSER, EMMA BALLARD Order
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 57