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Dea it's the 3-5-1910 Liverpool

Nyx i have done my tree and have bought certificates and contacted cousins etc my logan side is the worst because of not knowing dads siblings but I did get all his ancestors and their families and the two Mary Frances and Michael but they died young.

Thank you so much for your help

Pam xx

What was your dad's date of birth please?

Dea x

Just for ref as I know you have it, but wanted to see the spelling given

name(s) John
Last name Logan
Name note -
Age 23
Marriage year 1901
Marriage date 25 Dec 1901
Marriage place Everton
Father's first name(s) Daniel
Father's last name Logan
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Catherine
Spouse's last name Maguire
Spouse's birth year 1881
Spouse's birth date 1881
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Maguire
Residence Everton, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Like many trees on Ancestry that one is not to be relied on. It has the enlistment papers for John, the father, where it clearly states that his wife is Catherine Critchlow.

LOGAN, EVELYN ANNE mmn
CRITCHLOW Order
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in CHAPEL EN LE FRITH Volume 07B Page 889


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
LOGAN, PETER mmn MAGUIRE Order
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 99

This is some of 'that' family on 1939 with 'their' James:

Logan Household (5 People) 128 St James Street , Farnworth M.B., Lancashire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
James Logan ? Dec 1915 Bricklayer
Catherine Logan 03 Apr 1877 U D Duties
John Logan 21 Mar 1879 Journeyman Tailor
Harry C Logan 23 Dec 1908 Drawer In (Towel Maker)
Evelyn A Jones (Taylor) 05 Jan 1910 Waitress (Public House)

Dea x

Nyx im so sorry I missed your post

I had never seen much of that tree as I'm not a member on ancestry...it could possibly be an old one before I had contact with them.

It was just such a surprise to see another sibling of my dads may have been uncovered

Thanks for taking time to look though I appreciate it

Kind regards

Pam

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Logan Michael Maguire Liverpool 8b 85

There is obviously an error there somewhere because it says
Evelyn Ann born 5 January 1910
Peter born 3 May 1910

It's so strange...the tree was compiled by my cousins husband, I never really had proper contact with her..
I gave him all the relatives I had discovered.

The John born 1920 was actually my dads nephew not brother.

My grandparents were married in 1901 Liverpool and I have all the family traced back to Ireland before they came here in the 1820s except for an elusive one that was either named or nicknamed frank...no one has ever discovered him and I was hoping somehow James might have been him..

Aw thank you so much for looking for me, I think I'll just discard James as it seems he belongs to another Family.

Kind regards

Pam xx

Do your tree as you research it. Don't rely on somebody else.
The only way you can be really sure is to buy the birth certificates

The spelling of the name might have led to confusion ? for instance

Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Logan James McGuire Sunderland 10a 1027 99%)

Logan James Maguire Sunderland 10a 885
Maguire Mary E Logan Sunderland 10a 885



Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Logan John McGuire Liverpool 8b 82

Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Logan Mary F Maquire Liverpool 8b 79

With Ancestry trees, many are just works in progress, and not everyone checks the facts before adding people.

I can't see why the tree says that John was married to a 'Maguire' when there is no proof cited for this and all the details on there show his wife and the mother of all his children was a spinster called Catherine Critchlow at the marriage ??

Dea x

Thank you so much Dea

I don't understand the names he has included as my dad had sister Mary Frances and brother Michael for sure
The Frank was born in Blackburn to different first name parents than my dads and I definitely don't understand how Evelyn could be dads sister!

Now I'm more confused than ever lol

the names listed are:
Catherine 1904
Harry 1908
Evelyn Ann 1910 (5th January) ?
Peter 1910 (3rd May) ?
Francis (Frank?) 1912
James 1915
Michael 1916
Mary Frances 1918
John 1920

This is the family on 1911:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Market Street Buxton, Buxton, Derbyshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Logan Head Married Male Tailor Maker 32 1879 Johnstone Renfrewshire
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Catherine Logan Wife Married Female - 33 1878 Harper Hill Derbyshire
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Catherine Logan Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Buxton Derbyshire
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Harry Critchlow Logan Son - Male - 2 1909 Buxton Derbyshire
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Evelyn Jane Logan Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Buxton Derbyshire
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Dea x

This is the James on that tree - he is the twin of John B Logan but mmn is Critchlow??

Births: MarchQ 1916
Logan James Critchlow Bolton 8c 545 Scan available - click to view
Logan John B Critchlow Bolton 8c 545 Scan available - click to view

Parent's marriage was on 8th August 1902 in Chapel-en-le-Frith.

Dea x

I looked down the list of tree members with my dads name on them and I saw James logan birth 1915 father John logan mother Mary Catherine Maguire in the Mannion tree
The list came up after I had typed my dads name date and place of birth and his parents names.
I took a photo to make sure I was seeing right because this James had never been mentioned though dad had an elusive supposed brother name Frank
I can't ask him anything as he passed away in he 90s and the rest of my family are all deceased.
I never knew any of his relatives growing up and was only in touch with my cousin for a short time before losing contact.
Im wondering if it has been taken it off since I viewed it?

Have you looked at the GRO Index??

I can not see a James Logan on there .............

OGAN, JOSEPH mm MAGUIRE
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 69

LOGAN, PETER mmn MAGUIRE
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 99

LOGAN, FRANCIS mmn MAGUIRE
GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 508

LOGAN, MICHAEL mmn MAGUIRE
GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 85