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hi Pauline

this birth cert might be worth buying

STEWART, HARRIET WALTON Order
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in CHESTER-LE-STREET Volume 10A Page 497

Sorry Chris found out she MAY not MARY also went by HELEN and married to CLARENCE

Can you add anything further on below query Pauline?, was left in a mystery!...

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367599?d=asc

(Mary INGLIS WAS MARRIED TO Clarence O,Connell)

(apologies for 'butting in' folks, saw Pauline appear!)

Thank you everyone

Daughter Maggie's birth registered as Maggie Skinner Spears but death registered as Margaret

SPEARS
MARGARET SKINNE
29
1939
282/3 462
St Andrew (Dundee)

Joseph and Henrietta's children must surely have been aware of their half siblings. Looks like Norah remained in Fife

JOHNSTONE
NORAH EDITH
83
1988
417/ 186
Cupar

LAMONT
NORAH EDITH
83
1988
417/ 186
Cupar

SPEARS
NORAH EDITH
83
1988
417/ 186
Cupar

This took a while but, Joseph Spears was a widower when he married Henrietta at 1950.
I wondered if he was widowed before the birth of their 1st child in Dec 1913.

The plot thickens...

At 1911, Joseph of the correct age appears in Dysart with a wife named Grace and 3 children.
James 8yr, Nora 5yr and Maggie 1yr
Although I could identify these births, I couldn't find a marriage.

I have since discovered that it was registered in Burntisland 1900 under the name of
Joseph "Pears" married to Grace Ritchie.

1901 Kirkcaldy
Name Age
John Leary 63
Mary Mitchell Leary 45
Joseph Spears (Lodger) 25 B IRELAND mason's labourer
Grace Spears 22 Wife B Aberdeen


I am assuming that it is the same Joseph
Son of John Spears and Jane Davies.

If this is his previous marriage, ....
Joseph and Henrietta's 1st child was born on 27 Dec 1913.
Even if Grace died at the end of 1913.... Joseph must already have been in a relationship with Henrietta because.....


Grace Spears/Ritchie died in Dundee in 1914 !

Thanks GlasgowLass. That satisfies my curiosity.

I did look at that birth Rootgather.
It was also registered in 2 separate parishes Thornton and Buckhaven
The child was born in Thornton but info also passed to Buckhaven
I cannot recall the parents but, I did check and found that this was not Henrietta's son.

Her son was called William Stewart b 17 Sep 1911 at the Combination Poorhouse in Markinch.
Henrietta's usual address was C/o Wm McAdam 176 Denbeath.

This man and his wife were the witnesses at her marriage to William Phiillps just 1 month later.
At this time, Henrietta was no longer in domestic service. She was a Coal Pithead worker
William Phillips was also a coalminer.
He was also living at 176 Denbeath when they married, which is why I suspect that he was the biological father

Did you go to the records office today GlasgowLass? There was a birth of a possible son, William S Phillips shortly after they married and in the same registration district. That chappie married in Edinburgh but no death showing for him on SP so I couldn't check his mother's maiden surname.

Oh Rootgather!
I saw the birth record today.
The child with 1st names Agnes Wardlaw was born in Dec 1913.
As you have been keeping up, you will note that William Phillips and Henrietta Stewart married in Oct 1911
Agnes's birth record confirms that Henrietta and William Phillips were living apart by Jan 1912 !
Henrietta already had a son, born before ANY of her marriages with no father listed, although I strongly suspect that William Phillips was the biological father of her son.

Joseph Spears was the father to all of her children born from 1913 onwards

Working back on this thread....
Pauline fluctuated between Harriet and Henrietta Stewart but did not clarify her reasons
Based on original info, this was posted by Safc on 7 Aug

Harriett Stewart
England Births and Christenings
Name Harriett Stewart
Residence Place Durham, Durham, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 16 Apr 1890
Christening Date (Original) 16 Apr 1890
Christening Place Wesleyan Methodist, Durham Circuit, Durham, England
Father's Name David Stewart
Mother's Name Walten


Henrietta's death confirms that her original name was HARRIET.
Marriages 2 & 3 plus the death cert also confirm that her mother's name was Margaret WILTON.
It now looks like Safc was correct after all.
No document states that her father, David Stewart was a Merchant Seaman.
No document gives his name as David B Stewart?

He is listed a General Labourer on her 1st marriage and a Gas Work Labourer on all of the other documents .

As I suspected, there is no mention of William Phillips on her death record.
Informant was her son in law .

Here's another child born 1914, so an even shorter time for children born with father William Phillips.

PHILLIPS
AGNES WARDLAW
F
1914
447/2 6
Windygates

SPEARS
AGNES WARDLAW
F
1914
447/2 6
Windygates

SPIERS
AGNES WARDLAW
F
1914
447/2 6
Windygates

STEWART
AGNES WARDLAW
F
1914
447/2 6
Windygates

It all adds up now.
I wonder why William Phillips waited until 1950 before getting a divorce.
( The divorce was at his insistence)

They must have been living apart for over 30 yrs. !
I'm guessing insurance reasons. LOL

Pauline,
I don't understand your question.
"Were there any children with her 2nd husband Spiers"?
The question should be... were there any children with William Phillips?

As you seem to have known her, I am rather puzzled.

It seems that Henrietta's marriage to William Phillips was very short lived.
All children born from 1919 onwards were from her union with Joseph Spears


Ist child that I can find was born and died in 1919.
David Crawford last names Spears/ Phillips/ Stewart
Born 7 or 8 yrs after her marriage to William Phillips

So Joseph died in February and Henrietta had remarried by July:

Fife Free Press, & Kirkcaldy Guardian - Saturday 24 July 1954

MR & MRS DAVID RAMSAY, 43 Leslie Street wish to thank all their friends and neighbours for lovely presents received on the occasion of their marriage.

Joseph lived at different numbers, same street before his death (number 30 & number 56):

Fife Free Press, & Kirkcaldy Guardian - Saturday 17 June 1944

PATERSON—SPEARS.—At Invertiel North Manse, on 3rd June, 1944, by the Rev. A. R. Macpherson, B.A., Andrew Paterson, second youngest son of Mr and Mrs Andrew Paterson, 25 Winifred Street, Kirkcaldy, to Janet Campbell Spears, second youngest daughter of Mr and Mrs Joseph Spears, 30 Leslie Street, Kirkcaldy.

Also daughters:
Emily Spears/ Phillips/ Stewart
Janet Campbell Spears/ Phillips/ Stewart
Harriet Spears/ Phillips/ Stewart
Mary Liddle Spears/ Phillips/ Stewart
Elizabeth Stewart Spears/ Phillips

and sons:
Frederick Lamon Spears/ Phillips/ Stewart
Robert Stewart Spears/ Phillips
Joseph Davis Spears/ Phillips/ Stewart

There might be others too

And so matches the article :-)

Odd again,
For security reasons I can't give too much info but, it looks like Henrietta Stewart was
with Joseph Spears for a very long time before Willliam Phillips divorced her!

I spotted a birth and was sure that Henrietta was the mother,
Why else would a child born in the 1920's be called Henrietta Stewart Spears?
She became Mrs Laird

I think Henrietta was with Joseph a long time before her marriage: Son registered under Stewart, Phillips and Spears


HARRY LAURISON PHILLIPS
Male
Year: 1920
Ref: 442/ 493
Kirkcaldy

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HARRY LAURISON SPEARS
Male
Year: 1920
Ref: 442/ 493
Kirkcaldy
-------------------------

HARRY LAURISON STEWART
Male
Year: 1920
Ref: 442/ 493
Kirkcaldy

This is the announcement of the Great Grandchild's birth:

Fife Free Press, & Kirkcaldy Guardian - Saturday 19 March 1955

NESS At Forth Park on 17th March 1955 to Mr and Mrs James Ness (nee Ray Laird), c/o 56 Cleish Gardens Kirkcaldy, a daughter. Both well.