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oop just found Margaret Green in old parish register born 1854, the registration system changed in 1855 so thats why no record!

Hi another query here...researching the other side of the family! I have Robert Martin Wotton born to David William Wotton and Margaret Martin, married 1901. According to the marriage cert Margaret was the daughter of Robert Martin and Margaret Martin nee Green, ages given as 29 and 20 respectively. I'm confused about the lineage of Margaret... I can find a record in the 1861 census which suggests Margaret Green born 1855 in Galston ayrshire, but nothing else. On the marriage cert of Robert Martin and Margaret Green (married Auchinlech Ayr 1873) it says her parent were John Green and Isabella Green born Stitt. There is a census result in 1861 for a Margaret Green, child of Isabella Green... but says fathers name is William? Is it possible people used different names do you think?

On that 1861 census, Jane's occupation is given as Lady's Maid to one of the visitors. She must have been pretty good at the job to be Lady's Maid to the wife of Lord Kinnaird as he would appear to be quite high ranking.

George William Fox Kinnaird, 9th Lord Kinnaird, was born in April 1807 and succeeded to the title when he was nineteen. He devoted much attention to the management of his estates and was skilled in agriculture. He was a Freemason, and was Grand-Master of Scotland 1830-31. He was Master of the Buckhounds 1839-41; a Privy Councillor 1840; a Knight of the Order of the Thistle 1857; and Lord-Lieutenant of Perthshire 1866-78. On 20 June 1831 he was created Baron Rossie of Rossie (Perth). He married Frances Anna Georiana Ponsonby (daughter of William Francis Spencer Ponsonby, first Baron de Mauley) in Canford. On 1 September 1860, his own male issue having failed, he was created Baron Kinnaird of Rossie, with a specific remainder, failing heirs-male of his own body, to his brother Arthur and the heirs-male of his body. He died at Rossie in 1878, when the Barony of Rossie of 1831 became extinct.

Can't see a birth record for him (the one I suggested previously was definitely wrong).

brilliant. thanks v much! Will follow that up..

Oh yes. Spelled Wootton on Ancestry.

And he's in 1861, 1871, 1881, and 1891 censuses too.

He was obviously married when he somehow met Jane and fathered her baby, so was in no position to marry her.

I wonder if Martha ever knew about it? For that matter, I wonder if he knew about it himself?

Birth of their son Herbert C:

WOOTTON, HERBERT CHARLES mms CHARLES
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 365


so David & Martha's marriage:

Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
Charles Martha Wolverhampton 17 380
WOOTTON David Wolverhampton 17 380


Probably his death:

Deaths Dec 1894 (>99%)
Wootton David 74 Newport, Sh. 6a 475

EDIT:

Have deleted the birth I posted - definitely wrong date !!

Hi there..
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
First Name David
Last Name Wooton
Birth Year 1821
Age 30
Birth Place England
Birth Town Willenhall
Birth County Staffordshire
Relationship To Head of Household Head
Gender Male
Occupation Shoe Maker
Street Dudley Road
Parish Sedgley
City Wolverhampton
County Staffordshire
Division Of County
Ecclesiastical District Upper Gornal
Enumeration District 6
Hamlet Upper Gornal
House Name
House Number
Parliamentary Borough Wolverhampton
Municipal Ward
Registration District Dudley
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Collections from Great Britain
Folio 109
Page 10
Piece Number 2030
Source
Archive Reference HO107
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Where is he living in 1851? I can't see him on Ancestry.

Just found David Wooten in 1851 census... shoemaker!

as it has father David Wotton , shoemaker on the marriage cert, do you know any way of finding this out. Have looked on 1861 and 1871 census with name variations but cant find anything there, any ideas?

thanks again

I would say William Whitelaw was David's uncle - Jane's brother - but could be wrong!

I don't think David would have been adopted - just fostered ("boarded out") until he was old enough to start work for that grocer in Glasgow - some time between 1871 and his marriage.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/boardingout/

other info i found was on his marriage cert to Isabella Cockburn in 1880 Kilmadock.. said dad was a David Wotton shoemaker! But no other info at all, guess he could have come from anywhere!

ah, sound right! thanks!

And thanks for explaining the term boarder, I wondered what it meant!

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Woolbeding House, Woolavington, Midhurst, Sussex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Ponsonby Head Married Male 87 1774 Landed Proprietor Ireland
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Dorothy M Ponsonby Wife Married Female 74 1787 - -
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Edward Lyly Howard Son In Law Married Male 51 1810 R H Admiral On Half Pay Chiswick, Middlesex, England
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Diana H L Howard Daughter Married Female 45 1816 - London, Middlesex, England
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Lord Kinnaird Visitor Married Male 53 1808 Peer P C K Y London, Middlesex, England
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Y A G Kinnaird Visitor Married Female 43 1818 - Rockhampton, Surrey, England
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Henry Barratt Servant Widower Male 47 1814 Butler Domestic Servant Berkshire, England
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Ann Dyer Servant Widow Female 60 1801 House Keeper Domestic Servant Langford, Wiltshire, England
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Sarah Harrison Servant To Daughter Unmarried Female 42 1819 Ladies Maid Domestic Servant Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
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William Talor Servant To Son Unmarried Male 31 1830 Valet Domestic Servant Wilton, Wiltshire, England
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Caroline Porter Servant Unmarried Female 32 1829 Ladys Maid Domestic Servant -
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Jane Whitelaw Servant To Visitor Unmarried Female 33 1828 Ladys Maid Domestic Servant Scotland xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Emma Redman Servant Unmarried Female 32 1829 Housemaid Domestic Servant Ditchling, Surrey, England
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Fanny Reavell Servant Unmarried Female 25 1836 Laundry Maid Domestic Servant -
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Emma Goble Servant Unmarried Female 23 1838 Kitchen Maid Domestic Servant Easebourne, Sussex, England
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Emily Quinnell Servant Unmarried Female 19 1842 Laundry Maid Domestic Servant Woolbeding, Sussex, England
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Annie ... Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 House Maid Domestic Servant Lewes, Sussex, England
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Martha Edwards Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 Dairy Maid Domestic Servant Woolbeding, Sussex, England
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George Edwards Servant Unmarried Male 20 1841 Footman Domestic Servant Stedham, Sussex, England
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George Meeritt Servant Unmarried Male 16 1845 Groom Domestic Servant Easebourne, Sussex, England
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William Foster Servant - Male 13 1848 General Servant Midhurst, Sussex, England
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James Reynolds Servant - Male 17 1844 Groom Domestic Servant Paddington, Middlesex, England
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George Willsher Servant Unmarried Male 25 1836 Under Butler Domestic Servant Bocking, Essex, England
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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rosehall, Haddington, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Andrew Whitelaw Male 40 1801 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
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Mary Whitelaw Female 40 1801 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
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Thomas Whitelaw Male 15 1826 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
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Mark Whitelaw Male 15 1826 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
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Jane Whitelaw Female 12 1829 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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James Whitelaw Male 10 1831 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
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William Whitelaw Male 7 1834 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Johana Whitelaw Female 5 1836 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
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Andrew Whitelaw Male 3 1838 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland

Great thanks both again!

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gardners House, Straiton, Ayrshire, Scotland

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Whitelaw Head Unmarried Male 27 1834 Head Gardner Gifford, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
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Jessie McCulloch Servant Unmarried Female 14 1847 Domestic Servant Ayrshire, Scotland

Says there was a william whitelaw, uncle present at registration, but unsure as to whether this is an uncle of her of of David, what do you reckon?