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I would go with the 1891 being her - and as everyone else in the household was a Horman, then 10 to 1 it was done without a thought - if William completed the forms, he was a Horman and she was his Mother.

As for ages varying from one record to the other, it happens frequently, for a variety of reasons. People were not so literate then. And of course the enumerator took age 40 from year 1891 and made b1851, but due to time of year census was taken, much more likely to born 1850. If you reverse that and say b 1850 and they are 40, then you'd be in the year 1890.

Part of it may have been to make ages look more similar. The marriage has Christopher as 39 in 1875 so b 1836, 1881 has him as 43 b 1838 and you say he was born 1841! If Catherine was born 1828 that's a 13 year gap someone may have been trying to make look less.

Patricia- there may be many reasons that she reverted to using the Hormon surname in 1891- but it does look to be her as she is living with two of the children listed on earlier census:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, Todds Row, Walton Le Dale, Preston, Lancashire, England

John Horman Lodger Married Male 29 1832 Agricultural Labourer Poulton Le Fylde, Lancashire,
Catherine Horman Lodger Married Female 31 1830 Cotton Factory Worker Caton, Lancashire,
William Horman Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Joseph Horman Son - Male 3 1858 - Preston, Lancashire, England
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Walton, Higher Lark Hill, Walton-Le-Dale, Preston, Lancashire, England

Catherine Ormand Head Widow Female 44 1827 Cotton ? Hand Caton Lancashire,
William Ormand Son - Male 17 1854 Lancaster, Lancashire,
Joseph Ormand Son - Male 14 1857 Preston, Lancashire, England
Ann Ormand Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Lancashire, England
John Thomas Ormand Son - Male 5 1866 - Lancashire,
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Births:

HORMAN, JOSEPH mmn: BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 441

HORMAN, ANN mmn: BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 515

HORMAN, JOHN THOMAS mmn: BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 525

Yes there is a connection. I have since found that the mother of Margaret Ann Butterworth was Catherine Butterworth who wasn't married at the time of Margaret's birth so father unknown. Since found out that Margaret Ann was born in 1851 and died in 1922.
Thank you for your reply.
Pat

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1363645

(Margaret Ann Butterworth)

(if above relates somewhere!)

Chris :)

Thanks for the input regarding Catherine but not sure that this is my Catherine as she was married to Christopher Edmondson (Edmundson) in 1891. He only died in 1896.
Pat

I presume this is her in 1891- under Horman:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Holley Street, Oswaldtwistle, Blackburn, Lancashire, England

William Horman Head Married Male 39 1852 Gass Stoker At Gass Works Lancaster
Ann Jane Horman Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Blackburn, Lancashire
John Horman Son Single Male 17 1874 Cotton Spinner Preston, Lancashire, England
William Horman Son Single Male 15 1876 Cotton Spinner Preston, Lancashire,
Ann Ellan Horman Daughter - Female 14 1877 Cotton Piecer Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Catherine Horman Daughter - Female 11 1880 Cotton Piecer Oswaldtwistle, Lancashir
Joseph Horman Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Margery Horman Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire,
Margaret Horman Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire,
Cathrine Horman Mother Married Female 63 1828 - Lancaster
John Horman Brother Single Male 24 1867 Labourer At Gass Works Preston, Lancashire,
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Brother John is still living with William in 1901, but no Catherine. So perhaps one of these deaths (different spelling- but correct area): First death is more likely, as second death is possibly the wife of Richard Edmundson -she was born 1825.

First name(s) CATHERINE
Last name EDMUNDSON
Gender Female
Birth year 1831
Age 68
Death quarter 3
Death year 1899
District BLACKBURN
County Lancashire
Volume 8E Page 318
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First name(s) CATHERINE
Last name EDMUNDSON
Gender Female
Birth year 1825
Age 75
Death quarter 4
Death year 1900
District BLACKBURN
County Lancashire
Volume 8E Page 238

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
EDMONDSON Christopher 56 Lancaster Preston LAN/69/56

do you have the death cert

did catherine register it?

Many thanks but I don't think they are my Catherine as Skipton is in Yorkshire and
Salford is in Manchester. The family as far as I know had no connection with either.
Pat

not seeing Catherine in other census could this be her death

Deaths Dec 1884   (>99%)

Edmondson
 Catherine
 55
 Salford
 8d
47

Deaths Sep 1921   (>99%)

Edmondson
 Catherine
 88
 Skipton
 9a
43

All the dates seem wrong. Marriage details for John and Catherine were listed as on the 24.10.1853 John was 22 making him born 1831c and Catherine aged 23 so must have been born 1830.

Second marriage 1875 but Catherine listed as 40 making her born 1835.

I have a baptism record for the 25,05.1828 in Caton Lancashire.

She is listed on the 1881 census as born in 1832 therefore I have 4 different dates for her birth. Christening 1828, first marriage born 1830, second marriage 1835 and 1881 census 1832.
I think Catherine must have had a selective memory. No wonder I can't find her death.
Pat

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Foundry Yard, Fishwick, Preston, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Christopher Edmundson Head Married Male 43 1838 Labourer Foundry Lancaster, Lancashire, England
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Catherine Edmundson Wife Married Female 49 1832 Cotton Throstle Spinner Caton, Lancashire, England
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Marjery Spencer Lodger Married Female 30 1851 Cotton Reeler Preston, Lancashire, England
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John Thomas Horman Son Single Male 15 1866 Cotton Throstle Spinner Preston, Lancashire, England

Marriage: 1 Nov 1875 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Christopher Edmondson - 39, Dresser, Widower, Aughtons Sq.
Catherine Hormon - (X), 40, Spinner, Widow, Aughtons Sq.
Groom's Father: late James Edmondson, Dresser
Bride's Father: late William Butterworth, Laborer
Witness: Thomas Gilborn; Ellen Chorley, (X)
Married by Banns by: William E. Hey Curate
Register: Marriages 1875 - 1876, Page 167, Entry 334
Source: LDS Film 94000

I am trying to find when Catherine died and wondered if anyone can help.

.Catherine was born in Caton, Lancashire in 1828. She was the daughter of William Butterworth and Jane nee Townley. Catherine had a daughter Margaret Ann Butterworth in 1851 but wasn't married at the time. She married John Horman on the 24.10.1853 in Lancaster. John died in 1870 in Preston, Lancashire. Catherine went on to marry Christopher in 1875. Christopher was born in 1841 in Lancaster, Lancashire and died in Lancaster in 1896.
I can find no death for Catherine but wondered if she also died in Lancaster.
Pat