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Benjamin J Darts Snr and Jnr

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Mark

Mark Report 3 Dec 2016 11:57

Good afternoon folks

I have been searching via ancestry for the deaths of Benjamin J Darts Snr and Jnr without any success.

Benjamin J Darts Snr was born 1872 Huntingdon and married Annie Ada Lilley. Benjamin's son was born 1907 Northamptonshire.

Many thanks

malyon

malyon Report 3 Dec 2016 12:07

Deaths Jun 1879   (>99%)

Darts
 Benjamin
 33
 Huntingdon
 3b
177

Mark

Mark Report 3 Dec 2016 12:09

If that's Benjamin Snr how did he have a son in 1907

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 3 Dec 2016 12:14

Think this is Benjamin Sr.

Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
DARTS Benjamin James Wellingborough 3b 330
Lillie Annie Ada Wellingbro' 3b 330

malyon

malyon Report 3 Dec 2016 12:14

that must be the death of Benjamin the father he is not in the census of 1881
Benjamin Darts
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name
Benjamin Darts
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1881
Event Place
Huntingdon St Benedict, Huntingdonshire, England
Registration District
Huntingdon
Residence Note
St Germain St
Gender
Male
Age
9
Marital Status (Original)
Single
Occupation
Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household
Son
Birth Year (Estimated)
1872
Mary A Darts
Head
F
34
Woodhurst, Huntingdonshire, England
William Darts
Son
M
11
Woodhurst, Huntingdonshire, England
Sarah A Darts
Daughter
F
9
Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
Benjamin Darts
Son
M
9
Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
Harriet A Darts
Daughter
F
7
Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
Anna E Darts
Daughter
F
5
Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
John T Darts
Son
M
2
Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England

Potty

Potty Report 3 Dec 2016 12:17

According to a tree on Ancestry, the 1879 death was of Benjamin snr's father.

malyon

malyon Report 3 Dec 2016 12:20

Births Mar 1907   (>99%)

DARTS
 Benjamin John
 
 Wellingbro'
 3b
120

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Dec 2016 12:26

Looks like the younger went to South Africa:

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl

DESCRIPTION IMMIGRATION PAPERS. MR. BENJAMIN JOHN DARTS.
STARTING 1932
ENDING 1932

DESCRIPTION DARTS, BENJAMIN JOHN. ALIAS BENJAMIN JOHN LILLIE.
STARTING 1933
ENDING 1933
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE MARJORIE EDITH LILLIE.
--------------------------------------

From Ancestry- confirming his death 1933:

Transvaal Province, South Africa, Estates Death Notice Index, 1855-1976
Name: Benjamin John Darts
Death Year: 1933
Death Country: South Africa
Title: Transvaal Estates Death Index (Master of the Supreme Court, Pretoria)
Source: National Archives, Pretoria
Reference Number: 82549

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Dec 2016 12:29

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Mr B J Darts, 3 Roch Street, Wellington
Occupation: Miner
Contracted to land: Natal

First name(s) B J
Last name DARTS
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 25
Birth year 1907
Occupation MINER
Departure year 1932
Departure day 21
Departure month 1
Departure port LONDON
Destination port DURBAN (PORT NATAL)
Destination DURBAN (PORT NATAL)
Country SOUTH AFRICA
Destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship name LLANSTEPHAN CASTLE

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Dec 2016 12:30

His mother 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Townwell Lane Irchester, Irchester, Northamptonshire, England

Elizabeth Lillie Head Widow Female Private Means 76 1835 Wollaston Northants
Ada Darts Daughter Married Female - 38 1873 Doddington Northants
Benjamin Darts Grandson - Male - 4 1907 Rushden Northants

Ada married 12 years- 1 child- still living

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 3 Dec 2016 12:33

Benjamin Jr. with mother & grandmother in 1911.

Benjamin Darks

in the 1911 England Census
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Name: Benjamin Darks
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Rushden, Northamptonshire
Civil Parish: Irchester
Search Photos: Search for 'Irchester' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street address: Townwell Lane Irchester
Registration district: Wellingborough
Registration District Number: 166
Sub-registration district: Higham Ferrers
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 8542
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Lillie 76
Ada Darks 38
Benjamin Darks 4

Ada says married 12 years, 1 child born. It has been crossed out.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Dec 2016 12:38

Ada travelling out a year later (same address given as son):

Name: Ada Darts
Address: 3 Roch Street, Wellington, Northants
Birth Date: abt 1873
Age: 60
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 15 May 1933
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Winchester Castle
Search Ship Database: Search for the Winchester Castle in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 162489

There are several passenger lists for her travelling to South Africa

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 3 Dec 2016 12:38

?????

1901

Name: Ada Darts
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Darts
Birth Place: Doddington, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Rushden
Search Photos: Search for 'Rushden' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Rushden
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wellingborough
Sub-registration district: Higham Ferrers
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1441
Folio: 60
Page Number: 20
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members:
Name Age
James Darts 29
Ada Darts 29
Harry Everingham 35Border
William Pingstone 29 Boarder

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 3 Dec 2016 12:42

http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/genealogy/registers/stmary2c1906-1908.html

(St Mary's Church Baptisms 1906 - 1908)

Darts Benjamin John Benjamin James & Ada Kings Road traveller
06 Jan 1907


http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(also on above)

Chris :)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Dec 2016 12:44

There are quite a few passenger lists for Ada going to South Africa after son Benjamin's departure in 1932, but there are also a few before- this one in 1926:

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Mrs A Darts
Occ: Clerk
Residence: 3 Rock Street, Wellingbrough
Gender: Female
Age: 51
Birth Date: abt 1875
Departure Date: 22 Oct 1926
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Cape
Ship Name: Carnarvon Castle
Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail S S Co Ltd
Official Number: 148766
Master: J W Hayne

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Dec 2016 12:47

Just putting this up as a maybe at the moment- wondered if Benjamin snr also went to SA and married again?? I know the age is off, but perhaps disguising a larger age gap??

Marriage:
Name James Benjamin Darts
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 11 Jun 1919
Event Place Durban, Natal, South Africa
Gender Male
Age 39
Birth Year (Estimated) 1880
Spouse's Name Rosina Polina Wicomb
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 27
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PSW-C2X

I'll dig around, see what else there is

malyon

malyon Report 3 Dec 2016 13:24

marriage for parents of Benjamin snr

Marriages Dec 1871   (>99%)

Darts
 Benjamin
 
 St Ives
 3b
655
  
Hall
 Mary Ann
 
 St Ives
 3b
655

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Dec 2016 13:25

I'm wondering if this is Benjamin Senior travelling to SA in 1908:

Name: Mr J B Darts
Occ: Traveller
Port of Departure: Delagoa Bay, Mozambique
Arrival Date: 21 Dec 1908
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Durham Castle
Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 118387

There is also a Mrs JB Darts on the same list.
---------------------------------

I suspect they both returned and Bejamin/ James snr went back out a year later:

Name: Mr J B Darts
Occ: Traveller
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 24 Apr 1909
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Natal
Ship Name: Dunluce Castle
Shipping line: The Union Castle Mail Steamship Company Limited
Official Number: 118490
Master: J W Hague
---------------------------------------------------------------

There is also this which could be Benjamin jnr. He doesn't appear to be traveling with any Darts family members (perhaps going to his father?):

Name: Mstr B Darts
Gender: Male
Age: 9
Birth Date: abt 1907
Departure Date: 16 Feb 1916
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name: Palmella Castle
Shipping line: The Union-Castle Mail Steamship Co, Ltd
Official Number: 114839
Master: R E H Becker

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Dec 2016 13:46

Wondered if this was a first marriage for Benjamin jnr before going to SA (you'd need the marriage cert to confirm):

First name(s) BENJAMIN J
Last name DARTS
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1931
Spouse: GERTRUDE M SHERGOLD
Spouse's last name SHERGOLD
District WELLINGBOROUGH
County Northamptonshire
Volume 3B Page 386

There was one child born in England in 1931 Essex (James), but this child died the same year.

Although the initial differs from the marriage, I think this is a possible death for his wife (probably in child birth):

Name: Gertrude D Darts
Birth Date: abt 1902
Date of Registration: Sep 1931
Age at Death: 29
Registration district: Rochford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a Page: 572
-------------------------------------------

Possibly met whilst travelling? There is a Gertrude Dorothy Shergold- a Stewardess travelling many times between UK & US around 1928-1931 that could fit. There are also several entries for a Benjamin Dart (assistant inspector) travelling to the US at similar times.

Perhaps he lied about his age?

Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941 Transcription
First name(s) Benjamin
Last name Darts
Event year 1921
Birth year 1905
Birth place Rushden
Birth county/country Northamptonshire
Birth date ? ? 1905
Rank or Rating: Assistant Inspector
Discharge number R 56553
Card type CR2
Archive The National Archives
Series BT348
Date range 1921-1941
Piece number 1
Record set Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Dec 2016 19:48

This connected- not sure how yet, but the UK address is the same as Benjamin jnr and Ada gave when they travelled to SA:

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Miss J E Darts
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 27 Sep 1935
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name: Warwick Castle
Shipping line: The Union Castle Mail Steamship Company
Official Number: 162527
Master: W Morton Betts

Last UK Address: 3 Rock Street, Wellingborough

Age is hard to read- possibly age 7 or 1