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CHEERS Dea,I checked all my info at Beverley Records Office.I was looking for my great,great grandfathers birth (which I STILL haven't found).His parents were Thomas & Mary Kell (nee BELL).He was called Joseph Kell.I found one to the same parents in 1827 (if I remember right?) but he appears to of died a very short time(maybe days?) later.I have records of both.MY Joseph appears to of been born c1832,but I can't find a birth or baptism record.Married Charlotte Fent in 1854.

The youngest child from the above 1841 census has mothers maiden name as BELL :

KELL, ELIZABETH BELL Order
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 23 Page 82

Dea x

I have Catherine,but can't find any record of either?-Mary dying between 1850-51 -as neither appear to be on UK census of 1851 after getting married in 1850.

The death records for John Clifton Kell and Thomas Kell are both official records found on familysearch.org.

Both give father's name as William Kell and mother's name as Mary Faulkner or just Faulkner. So it looks as though the mother of both of these was called Mary Faulkner.

It is true though that there is no proof that she was born in Bedfordshire.

Have you considered the possibility that Mary (Truffit) died and William remarried to Mary Faulkner?

My Thomas Kell-which I'm 99.9% positive is the correct one,married Mary BELL in 1826-NOT Jane Seymour or Mary Farrow? I can't honestly see any truth on Mary Faulkner been born in Bedfordshire? I think they've just made it fit? I think I have the correct William Kell,but,the marriage is a mystery?

Also relevant:-

John Clifton Kell
Ontario Deaths and Overseas Deaths, 1939-1947
Name John Clifton Kell
Event Type Death
Event Date 02 Oct 1917
Event Place Innisfil, Simcoe, Ontario
Gender Male
Age 60
Birthplace Innisfil Tp.,
Birth Year (Estimated) 1857

Father's Name William Kell
Mother's Name Faulkner

Another tree on ancestry has this:-

William Kell
1830–1907
BIRTH 20 MARCH 1830 • East Yorkshire, England
DEATH 25 JAN 1907 • Essa, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada

Parents
Thomas Kell 1806–1880
Mary Farrow 1806–1854

Spouse
Mary Faulkner 1821–1892

Ann J Kell 1842–1916
Thomas Kell 1851–1929
Elizabeth Kell 1854–1910
John Clifton Kell 1857–1917
William N Kell 1859–1941
Mary Louise Kell 1861–1941

............................so same spouse and children nearlly the same, also same father's name but mother is different ?????


Thought this may birth of Ann J.:-

(Births Sep 1841 (>99%)
Faulkner Ann Jane Chorlton 20 195)

but I think this one may have died young:-

Name: Ann Jane Faulkner
Birth Year: abt 1841
Age: 1
Burial Date: 9 Oct 1842
Parish: Chorlton upon Medlock, All Saints
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Reference Number: GB127.M320/1/5/2

.......so probably not?

Relevant

Mary Faulkner
mentioned in the record of Thomas Kell
Name Mary Faulkner
Gender Female
Husband William Kell
Son Thomas Kell

Other information in the record of
from Ontario Deaths and Overseas Deaths, 1939-1947
Name Thomas Kell
Event Type Death
Event Date 02 May 1929
Event Place Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
Gender Male
Age 77
Birth Date 12 May 1851
Birthplace England
Father's Name William Kell (born England)
Mother's Name Mary Faulkner (born England)

Length of residence at place of death:- 28yrs.
Informant was Willaim Kell,(father)

From a tree on ancestry:-

Birth: 20 March 1829 (20 Mar 1829) - Yorkshire, England
Marriage: 1851
Death: 25 Jan 1907 - Cookstown, Ontario, Canada

Name William Kell
Birth Date 20 Mar 1829
Birth Place England
Death Date 25 Jan 1907
Death Place Ontario, Canada
Cemetery Zion Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Fennell, Simcoe County, Ontario, Canada

Parents: Thomas Kell, Jane Seymour
Spouse: Mary Faulkner

Mary Faulkner
1818–1892
BIRTH 1818 • Bedfordshire, England
DEATH 20 APR 1892 • Ontario, Canada

Children
Ann J Kell 1843–
Elizabeth Kell 1854–1910
John Kell 1857–1907
William Kell 1859–1941
Mary Kell 1861–1941
Johnathan Kell

The birth cert. of one of their children will give you mother's maiden name.

[If the first child Ann J. b.1843 was William's child then he was very young when she was born.]

1841
Name: William Kell
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Allerthorpe
Hundred: Harthill (Wilton Beacon Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Pocklington
Sub-registration district: Pocklington
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1216
Book: 18
Folio: 4
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Kell 35
Mary Kell 35
William Kell 11
Joseph Kell 9
John Kell 8
George Kell 7
Robert Kell 4
James Kell 2
Elizabeth Kell 5weeks

Mary Triffitt
mentioned in the record of William Kell and Mary Triffitt
Name
William Kell
Birth Date
1828
Age
22
Spouse's Name
Mary Triffitt
Spouse's Birth Date
1824
Spouse's Age
26
Event Date
1850
Event Place
Pocklington, Yorkshire, England
Father's Name
Thomas Keld
Spouse's Father's Name
Thomas Clifton

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=105459782

Was she a bit older than him !?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Harswell, Pocklington, Yorkshire, England

Thomas Triffit Male 75 1766 Yorkshire, England Transcription
Mary Triffit Female 70 1771 Yorkshire, England Transcription
Mary Triffit Female 20 1821 Yorkshire, England Transcription
Edmund Hudson Male 20 1821 Yorkshire, England Transcription

Was her mum really 50 wehen she had her ????

Mary Friffitt...........................

Well can't see a Mary Faulkner marriage

WILLIAM
Last name KELL
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1850
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ WILLIAM KELL married one of these people
MARY THOMPSON, MARY FRIFFITT, ZILLAH ARNOTT, MARY TRIFFITT, CAROLINE ANN GARDAM
District POCKLINGTON
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 23
Page 129
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

My great,great uncle-William Kell,born Pocklington,Yorkshire 1830.He is on census of 1841 with parents.He appears to of married a Mary Trufitt in Pocklington in 1850.I can find no trace of him any later.
A while ago I was contacted by a William Kell from Canada,who stated that his great,great grandfather was called William Kell,born c1830,possibly in Pocklington,BUT-he was married to a Mary FAULKNER.I've had a look at the marriage certificate of William to Mary Trufitt & it gives her fathers name as Thomas CLIFTON. The William Kell in Canada & his wife-Mary (nee Faulkner) had children that had the MIDDLE name CLIFTON-Thomas C & John C.On this Marys headstone it states she was from Yorkshire.I can find no trace of a Mary Faulkner born anywhere in Yorkshire in that time span,nor can I find a marriage record?Is this just coincidence OR has she just changed her surname,for some unknown reason?
ANY help much appreciated.I do know they lived in Barrie,