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Does anyone have information about Charles Martin b.1871 Battle, Sussex. m.1899 to Bessie Vidler. I can only find info up until the 1901 census when he was living in Hellingly with his wife and daughter Ada. In the 1911 census there is no sign of him. Bessie and her children are in the 1911 census listed as boarders in Sidney C Pentecost's house in West Ashford, but no Charles Martin listed. In 1914 Bessie and Sidney were married and had a child together that died at birth when Bessie died. I can't track down a death record for Charles Martin. I'm hoping somebody may be able to help me please.

Welcome to the boards Lynnette

1911 census for our information

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5 Knatchbull Place New Street Ashford Kent, Ashford, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Sidney Charles Pentecost Head Single Male Carman 23 1888 Kent Ashford
Bessie Martin Boarder Married Female - 33 1878 Sussex Battle
Ada Martin Boarder - Female - 11 1900 Sussex Hellingly
Jane Martin Boarder - Female - 9 1902 Sussex Hellingly
Florence Martin Boarder - Female - 5 1906 Sussex Battle
Herbert Charles Martin Boarder - Male - 3 1908 Kent Great Chart
Sidney William Martin Boarder - Male - 1 1910 Kent Cheriton

Married - (12 years 4 children born and 4 still living - This information is crossed out in Red)

So if Bessie can count, 1 of the children listed above doesn't belong to the marriage

The form is signed by Bessie Martin and added in is "on behalf of Sidney Chas Pentecost

Do you know Charles' full DOB, if alive he might be found via the 1939 register

Do you have Bessie and Sidney's marriage certificate? What does it say for her marital status ?

(if him below!)

Edits (Neighbour 1901)

Chris :)

18 October 1901 - Sussex Agricultural Express - Lewes, East Sussex

Assault Cases.
Charles Martin of Hellingly, was bound over in the sum of £5 to keep the peace for six months, as Philadelphia Eastwood stated that he had used threats and menaces, and she went in fear of him.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Springham, Hellingly, Hailsham, Sussex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Martin Head Married Male 30 1871 Agricultural Labourer Battle, Sussex, England
Bessie Martin Wife Married Female 21 1880 - Battle, Sussex, England
Ada Martin Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Hellingly, Sussex, England

The marriage of Sidney and Bessie

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
PENTECOST Sidney C Martin Faversham 2a 2325

and presumably the child's birth

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
PENTECOST Male Martin Faversham 2a 1779


It may have been the way the question was asked, but the Mother's maiden name should be entered. A difficult time- to register a birth and 2 deaths

this one is born 1871

Deaths Sep 1940   (>99%)

Martin
 Charles
 69
 Hove
 2b
728

clutching at straws !


1911 England Census


Name: C M

Age in 1911: 43

Estimated birth year: abt 1868

Relation to Head: Patient

Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Chartham

County/Island: Kent

Street address: Kent County Lunatic Asylum, Chartham, Canterbury

Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Farm Labourer

Registration district: Bridge
Registration District Number: 57
Sub-registration district: Chartham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 4308



Deaths Jun 1941

Martin Charles 72 Bridge 2a 2384

1939 Register


Kent County Mental Hospital Chartham, Canterbury , Bridge-Blean R.D., Kent, England


Charles Martin P ? ? 1868 Male Incapacitated Married 2 169

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pentecost-175

(if above relates, has below Birth)

Chris :)

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
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PENTECOST Sydney William Elham 2a 1102 (Mother Maiden Name, Martin)

Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
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Pentecost Sidney W 1 W.Ashford 2a 1140


Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
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MARTIN Herbert Charles W. Ashford 2a 887 (Mother Maiden Name, Vidler)

PM from Lynn - I've replied and asked her to post on the board.

Thank you for replying to my message. I've had some info sent to me saying that Charles Martin was admitted to a lunatic asylum in Kent. This could explain why he was not with his family in the 1911 census. The entries appear to relate to Charles. The interesting thing, is the registration district Bridge is where his sister in law (Bessie's sister Ellen Selina Marsh) lived and died as well. It says he died in June 1941 at the age of 72, which means Bessie is possibly a bigamist. This seems to have opened up a big can of worms and will need some more looking into where possible. I've had my suspicions that Sidney William Martin wasn't Charles' son,more likely Sidney Pentecost is the father.
Thanks again for your help.
Regards Lynn.

GRO Online Index

PENTECOST, SYDNEY WILLIAM Mother's surname MARTIN

GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 1102