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6 Nov 2016 05:42 |
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daughter of Susan (Susannah) Brownhill and James Riley. born in Gorton Uk
b c 1850's.
does anyone have any information about her. Marriage? death? please
many thanks,
Anne-Marie <3
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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6 Nov 2016 06:33 |
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Have you looked on FreeBMD for any possible marriage
What about looking at any census. When is the last time she shows on them
How have you got back to her . Have you got her birth cert as not seeing a marriage for her parents
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Maritz
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6 Nov 2016 06:47 |
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thanks, Shirley, I am out of practice as I haven't been on site for some time.
appreciate your help and will do.
Anne-Marie :-)
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6 Nov 2016 06:49 |
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Is this her or her mum??
Susannah
Last name Riley
Occupier's first name(s) Susannah
Occupier's last name Riley
Owner's first name(s) James
Owner's last name Chapman
Date Sep 1875
Year 1875
House number 7
Address Seymour St
Location Gorton Township
Title of record Rate Assessments
Archive reference M 10/13/5/30
Record set Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Rate Books
It's the only record that comes up on FMP for that name
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6 Nov 2016 06:53 |
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Gorton comes under Chorlton reg district and this is the only one coming up around that time
Births Jun 1855
RILEY Susan Chorlton 8c 471
Her birth though may not have been registered as it wasn't a legal requirement till 1875
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6 Nov 2016 06:57 |
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Ok looks like them in 1871 names misspelt
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8 Gorton Brook Street, Gorton, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
Susanah Riley Head - Female 50 1821 - Ireland cotton winder
Mary A Riley Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Susanah Riley Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Thomas Riley Son - Male 13 1858 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Helen Riley Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Census details
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6 Nov 2016 07:00 |
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Susannah
Last name Riley
Occupier's first name(s) Susannah
Occupier's last name Riley
Owner's first name(s) James
Owner's last name Chapman
Date Sep 1875
Year 1875
House number 7
Address Seymour St
Location Gorton Township
Title of record Rate Assessments
Archive reference M 10/13/5/30
Record set Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Rate Books
Collections from Great Britain
Copyright brightsolid online publishing ltd
So would say this is mum renting
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6 Nov 2016 07:04 |
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1870 so before the census
Susan
Last name Riley
Occupier's first name(s) Susan
Occupier's last name Riley
Owner's first name(s) Edward
Owner's last name Herford
Date 1871
Year 1871
Address Gorton Brook St. >>>>>>>
Location Gorton Township
Title of record Rate Assessments
Archive reference M 10/13/5/27
Record set Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Rate Books
Collections from Great Britain
Copyright brightsolid online publishing ltd
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6 Nov 2016 07:10 |
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Ahhh and the 1861 census
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wovendens Buildings, 25, Pleasant Vale, Openshaw, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
James Riley Head Married Male 35 1826 Book And Shoemaker Ireland Transcription
Susan Riley Wife Married Female 34 1827 Wife Ireland Transcription
Mary Ann Riley Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1852 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Susannah Riley Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Thomas Riley Son Unmarried Male 3 1858 - Openshaw, Lancashire, England Transcription
Ellen Riley Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 - Openshaw, Lancashire, England Transcription
So both mum and daughter alternate between being Susannah and Susan
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6 Nov 2016 07:15 |
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Two possible deaths although the second is slightly out in age
Deaths Dec 1862
RILEY James Chorlton 8c 445
Deaths Mar 1867
Riley James 45 Chorlton 8c 485
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Chris Ho :)
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6 Nov 2016 07:29 |
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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1852
GREGSON Susannah RILEY James Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php
(above was suggested on below)
Chris :)
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/brownhill/thread/1244387
Astra Report 12 Oct 2010 07:26
1851
James Riley
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Henderson 34
James Riley 22 >>>>>>Boot maker>>>>single
Edits
(can you see any Births from 1861 on below?)
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
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6 Nov 2016 08:18 |
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1855 Birth, Susan Riley has Rayner for MM Name
(another below)
RYLEY, SUSANNA HAMPSON
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 463
Chris :)
RILLY, ELLEN RONEY Order
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 487
RILEY, ELLEN COOPER Order
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 505
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6 Nov 2016 10:34 |
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Only Mary Ann's birth seems to have been registered with Brownhill as a mm name?
RILEY, MARY ANN BROWNHILL
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 20 Page 1
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6 Nov 2016 14:14 |
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It might well be a different couple but there are these 2 births with mmn Brownhill:
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
RILEY Ellen BROWNHILL Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library ANC/23/99
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
RILEY Hannah BROWNHILL Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library ANC/33/40
Total records matching : 2.
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7 Nov 2016 11:42 |
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Maritz,
This just isn't adding up in any direction.
Could you please tell us how you have worked back to Susannah and how you know where she was born? Also, how do you know her parents' names?
If you are certain that the family we have above with children Mary Ann, Susannah, Thomas and Helen is the correct one, then I am inclined to believe that those parents may well be James and Susannah (Rooney) ? - They certainly do not appear to be connected with the name Brownhill/Brownbill .
Do you have any actual proof of any of this?
Dea x
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7 Nov 2016 14:30 |
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(things coming up on google search, relating to below, and them going to Australia. Not seeing anything of Marriage James Riley, her father though!)
Chris :)
Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
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Fallon Joseph Chorlton 8c 1117
Riley Mary Ann Chorlton 8c 1117
(perhaps Parents Marriage in Ireland!)
Edits (according to below, Mary Ann born 6th May 1852)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Riley-4600
(if not Riley, or similar, there is below, if area fits!)
Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
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BROWNBILL Mary Ann Salford 8d 24 (Johnson, for that on GRO Index)
(below if Death on link above for 1866?)
1867
RILEY James 45 Chorlton-on-Medlock Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO/51/169
(NSW Death 1941)
FALLON MARY ANN
21908/1941
JAMES SUSAN (Parents)
KOGARAH
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