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1829 Feb 01 BUTCHER Emily dau of William & Elizabeth BUTCHER Radwinter
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1835 Dec 27 BUTCHER Elizabeth dau of William & Elizabeth BUTCHER

http://www.radwinterhistory.org.uk/radwinter/baptismspt1.html

(for that 1841 above)

Chris :)

Name Emily Butcher
Age 12
Estimated Birth Year abt 1829
Gender Female
Where born Essex, England
Civil parish Radwinter
Hundred Freshwell
County/Island Essex
Country England
Registration district Saffron Walden
Sub-registration district Radwinter
Piece 329
Book 9
Folio 21
Page number 4
Household Members
Name Age
William Butcher 45
Elizabeth Butcher 30
Emily Butcher 12*******************************
Harriet Butcher 9
Elizabeth Butcher 5

I wonder if on the census of 1881 it was written down wrongly for Elizabeth Fitch age 15 and William Fitch age 66 living in Taunton Road Swanscombe both born in Colchester Essex because I am just unable to find his wife Elizabeth in that census yet she was alive then

Well chances are there was another Son then, as posted above (did that give Emily or Elizabeth!)...

(still a 'no' to Birth Cert. of William then, lol)

Chris :)

Yes Chris Ho. Rosherville gardens was a nice place,during its hey day, the lords and ladies and even Royalty would sail down from London to spend the day there, they had a bear pit and other animals, suppose it was like a zoo.It closed down not long after WorldWar11, Yes you have the correct William, his daughter was Martha and he was a gardener

Not sure which article you are referring to John, quite a few named William Fitch about!. The article above (which I had added on your Martha 'Thread') mentions Cornelius Haynes, looking at him 1871, he too was a gardener. Rosherville Gardens looks a very nice place (looking on google images!)

Chris :)

(would have liked details from William Birth Cert., shame!)


Edits (did also wonder about below!)


Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
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Fitch Charles Frederick Gravesend 2a 395


Burial
County Kent
Place Gravesend
Church name St George
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 684
Burial date 29 Jan 1874
Person age 2
Burial person forename Charles Frederick
Burial person surname FITCH
Burial person abode Northfleet

http://www.freereg.org.uk/


Deaths Mar 1874 (>99%)
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Fitch Charles Frederick 2 N. Aylesford 2a 260


(Census taken 2 April 1871)

Edits (now know, Maiden Name for Mother of above, was Frost)

county police conrt, o» Monday last, George Smith and Cornelius Hayei were charged on a summons with violently assault* ing William Fitch, at Northfleet. The complainant is gardener at the Roshervilie-gardens, and wai drinking with his wife in a public house a quarrel arising the two defendants set up on him in such a savage manner that he was that he was for some time under treatment
23 August 1867 - Dover Express - Dover, Kent, England

george and cornelius where found guilty and finded £3 each

from find my past

I've heard of it happening on here, but I don't use GR's records. I use other sites.

All I can suggest is that you email GR at the following address, and complain

[email protected]

I agree Sylvialn, I have one of my ancestors who lived with his " wife" for 20 years unmarried because his 1st was still alive, when she died then they got married. I did see on a previous post about a court case in the newspapers regarding William Fitch and his wife. I tried to view it 3 times because I have some credits but when it opened up the page was blank yet my credits were taken, have you heard about this before, any advice please

Couples living together without the benefit of marriage was at least as common back then as it is now.

The reason was often different from today when it is often just a choice........

........ back then, divorce was impossible to obtain for ordinary folk. It was extremely expensive and the grounds were very few and hard to prove.

But marriages broke up very often. So ................ common law unions

Thanks Sylvialn, I will have to do that.. When mother was in the 1891 and 1901 census and living with her son and family she was down as Elizabeth. Couldn't find Elizabeth in the 1881 census so just wonder if she was registered wrongly on the census and that's her living with William in Swanscombe ( see above) . Taunton Road is not too far from Darnley Road as stated the family living in 1871. Either way with all the different names I am stil unable to find a marriage of William Fitch and Elizabeth/Emily Butcher or Row.

John ............

You should get William B's birth certificate ............ you are assuming that it will say the same thing as his sister's and that is NOT necessarily so.

You need his certificate to prove that his parents are the same as the child you are assuming was his sister!


I just do not believe your assumption that Emily became Elizabeth.


Emily was age 46 in 1871, while the Elizabeth on the 1881 Census is age 31 .... Emily would have been ca 56 then

LOSING over 20 years is ridiculous!

Not only that, but Elizabeth is specifically noted as being Single, and is NOT shown as William's wife.

William Butcher Fitch was the son of William & Elizabeth/Emily Fitch. I got the birth certificate of his sister, stating mother was an Elizabeth Row. Both born in Gravesend

Could possibly be him, he died in 1884,, in 1891 and 1901 Elizabet was living with Son William Butcher Fitch in Lincolnshire
What I really am looking for is the parents of William and Elizabeth who both originated from Colchester and whether Elizabeth is called Row or Butcher. I seem at a loss regarding who and where they came from. Unable to find a marriage for them to go further,

????


Name:Elizabeth Fitch
Age:33
Estimated birth year:1828
Relation:Wife
Gender:Female
Where born:Colchester, Essex, England
Civil Parish:West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish:Plaistow
County/Island:Essex
Country:England
Registratio district:West Ham
Sub-registration district:West Ham


Elizabeth Fitch 33
Emily Fitch 1 b Stratford

(not a lot of time at present, but did you ever get below Cert.)

Chris :)

Births Mar 1865 (>99%)
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Fitch William Butcher Gravesend 2a 346


(now continuing on other 'Thread)

Could possibly be him, he died in 1884,, in 1891 and 1901 Elizabet was living with Son William Butcher Fitch in Lincolnshire
What I really am looking for is the parents of William and Elizabeth who both originated from Colchester and whether Elizabeth is called Row or Butcher. I seem at a loss regarding who and where they came from. Unable to find a marriage for them to go further,

see also ......

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1360330?page=1

a lot of the information posted on here was also posted on that earlier thread :-(

Is this William in 1881? He's a widower, no relationship given for Elizabeth, she's unmarried.

William Fitch

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: William Fitch
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Swanscombe
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Botany Bay 23 Taunton Road
Marital Status: Widower
Occupation: Gen Gardener
Registration district: Dartford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 868
Folio: 34
Page Number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
William Fitch 66
Elizabeth Fitch 31

Is this William (senior) in 1881 , perhaps with the Elizabeth shown as mother on the birth certificate..??

William Fitch
in the 1881 England Census

Name: William Fitch
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Swanscombe
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Botany Bay 23 Taunton Road
Marital Status: Widower
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Gen Gardener
Registration district: Dartford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17

Piece: 868
Folio: 34
Page Number: 62

Household Members:
Name Age
William Fitch 66
Elizabeth Fitch 31