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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 Oct 2016 04:16
	IF that is the correct baptism for George Helm, the following are possible siblings Baptism: 8 May 1803 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Sarah Helme - Daughter of John Helme & Margt. Born: 18 Apr 1803 Abode: Nateby Occupation: Labourer Performed at: Garstang Chapel Register: Baptisms 1801 - 1812, Page 25, Entry 4 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Baptism: 30 Mar 1806 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Jas. Helm - Son of John Helm & Margt. Born: 2 Mar 1806 Abode: Nateby Occupation: Labourer Register: Baptisms 1801 - 1812, Page 40, Entry 6 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Buried 30 Mar 1809, age 4 Baptism: 14 Aug 1808 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Jane Helm - Daughter of John Helm & Peggy Born: 7 Jul 1808 Abode: Nateby Occupation: Husbandman Register: Baptisms 1801 - 1812, Page 62, Entry 8 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Buried: 18 Feb 1809, age 2 Baptism: 19 Aug 1810 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Betty Helm - Daughter of John Helm & Peggy Born: 12 Jul 1810 Abode: Nateby Occupation: Labourer Register: Baptisms 1801 - 1812, Page 78, Entry 4 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Baptism: 20 Dec 1812 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Jas. Helm - Son of John Helm & Peggy Born: 25 Nov 1812 Abode: Nateby Occupation: Labourer Register: Baptisms 1801 - 1812, Page 92, Entry 12 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Buried 11 Aug 1813, infant Margaret Helm Baptised 2 Oct 1814 Garstang John Helm, Margaret Helm Henry Helm Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1817 Garstang, John Peggy ?? also Burial: 6 May 1802 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England John Helm - Son of John Helm Abode: Nateby Register: Burials 1801 - 1812, Page 9, Entry 4 Source: LDS Film 1278886 All born or of Nateby, Father Husbandman or Labourer This MIGHT be the marriage of John and "Peggy", as there are a couple of children baptised with John and Margt as parents. Marriage: 18 Oct 1802 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England John Helm - (X), Bachelor, Garstang Margaret Curwen - (X), Spinster, Cockerham Witness: James Bullen; John Cornthwaite Married by Banns by: Regind. Sharp Curate Register: Marriages 1781 -
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 Oct 2016 02:52
	I wonder if this is George's baptism. He says his father was called John on the marriage register. Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 Name: George Helm Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1820 Parish: Garstang, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Garstang' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: John Helm Mother: Peggy Helm Register Type: Parish Registers Reference Number: PR 2415 From image:- Address:- Nateby Father occupation:- Labourer
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 Oct 2016 02:40
	by Googling ................. Nateby is a village about 1¾ miles NW of Garstang. The only church there appears to have a Particular Baptist Chapel, plus their cemetery/graveyard
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 Oct 2016 01:34
	George Helm ................. according to the 1851 Census, George was born in Naseby .......... Name: George Helm Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Helm Gender: Male Where born: Naseby, Lancashire, England except it does NOT look like Naseby on the image!! Could be Nateby???? There is no Naseby in Lancashire! I can't yet find them in 1861, but is this George and Ann in 1871??? George born Nately, Lancashire Name: George Helm Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1820 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Helm Gender: Male Where born: Nately, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Garstang Ecclesiastical parish: Garstang Town: Garstang County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Garstang Sub-registration district: Garstang ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 61 Piece: 4227 Folio: 100 Page Number: 25 George Helm 51 Ann Helm 49 b.ca 1822, Nately Fanny Helm 15 b.ca 1856, Garstang Henry Helm 13 b.ca 1858, Garstang Ann Helm 9 Thomas Helm 7 here's the family in 1861 .......... wonderfully ms-transcribed!!!! 1861 Census Name: George Helen Age: 41 Estimated birth year: 1820 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Anne Helen Gender: Male Where born: Wateley, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Bauds County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Garstang Sub-registration district: Garstang ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 16 Piece: 3153 Folio: 110 Page Number: 32 George Helen 41 Ag Lab Anne Helen 39 b.ca 1822, Lancaster, Lancashire James Helen 20 b.ca 1842, Garstang, Lancashire Elizabeth Helen 17 b.ca1844, Garstang Margaret Helen 14 b.ca 1847, Garstang Jan Helen 10 b.ca 1851, Garstang Fanny Helen 6 b.ca 1855, Garstang Henry Helen 4 b.ca 1857, Garstang George Helen 10/12 b.ca 1860, Bouds, Lancashire <<<< or Bauds? No street address It is Helm on the image, and birth place is Nately I've sent in a correction for the surname.
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 Oct 2016 00:42
	CORRECTION ...................... George Helm(e) married Ann Christopherson, daughter of Ann Bolland and James Christopherson .............. Marriage: 7 Jun 1841 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England George Helme - of full age, Labourer, Bachelor, Myerscough Ann Christopherson - (X), Minor, Spinster, Ashton Groom's Father: John Helme, Labourer Bride's Father: James Christopherson, Labourer Witness: Martha Pedder; John Beckett Married by Banns by: N. Cardall, Curate Register: Marriages 1841 - 1845, Page 2, Entry 3 Source: LDS Film 1526201 County Lancashire Place Lancaster Church name St Mary the Priory Register type Parish Register Register entry number 3 Marriage date 07 Jun 1841 Groom forename George Groom surname HELME Groom age full age Groom condition bachelor Groom abode Myerscough Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Ann Bride surname CHRISTOPHERSON Bride age minor Bride condition spinster Bride abode Ashton Groom father forename John Groom father surname HELME Groom father occupation Labourer Bride father forename James Bride father surname CHRISTOPHERSON Bride father occupation Labourer Witness Martha PEDDER Witness John BECKETT Register note Bride signed x to re-cap ................ Baptism: 25 Nov 1821 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Ann Christopherson - Daughter of James Christopherson & Ann Born: 22 Oct 1821 Register: Baptisms 1819 - 1824, Page 139, Entry 1114 Source: FHL Film 1526146
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 Oct 2016 00:37
	FreeReg2 is another free site to check .............. http://freereg2.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/58153124f493fd4f106cd147 Burial of James Christopherson ....... County Lancashire Place Lancaster Church name St Mary the Priory Register type Parish Register Register entry number 2227 Burial date 01 Feb 1839 Person age 44 Burial person forename James Burial person surname CHRISTOPHERSON Burial person abode Aldcliffe Baptism of James Christopherson in 1840 ........ County Lancashire Place Lancaster Church name St Mary the Priory Register type Parish Register Register entry number 963 Baptism date 09 Aug 1840 Birth date 26 Jun 1840 Person forename James Person sex M Person abode Lancr Mother forename Ann Mother surname CHRISTOPHERSON Witness Witness Register note Mother a spinster Marriage of James and Ann ........ County Lancashire Place Lancaster Church name St Mary the Priory Register type Parish Register Register entry number 397 Marriage date 11 Oct 1815 Groom forename James Groom surname CHRISTOPHERSON Groom abode Aldcliffe Groom occupation Husbandman Bride forename Ann Bride surname BOLLAND Bride condition spinster Bride abode Scotforth Witness Mary PROCTER Witness William PARR Register note Groom / Bride signed x The notation Groom/Bride singed x indicates they signed the Register by making the mark "x" Freereg had to add another entry for this marriage because of the 3rd witness .... Bride surname BOLLAND Bride condition spinster Bride abode Scotforth Witness Joseph CROSKILL Register note Groom / Bride signed x
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46 044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 Oct 2016 00:29
	Ann Christopherson is described as a Spinster on the baptism record for James on lancs Online Parish Clerks http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html Baptism: 9 Aug 1840 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England James Christopherson - Son of Ann Christopherson Born: 26 Jun 1840 Abode: Lancaster Occupation: Spinster Baptised by: J Manby, Vicar Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1845, Page 121, Entry 963 Source: LDS Film 1526200 Even though the Vicar is the same, I think he got it wrong when he described Ann as "Spinster", as these seem to be the other children shown on the 1841 Census. The father is shown as James Christopherson, Labourer .............. Baptism: 25 Nov 1821 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Ann Christopherson - Daughter of James Christopherson & Ann Born: 22 Oct 1821 Register: Baptisms 1819 - 1824, Page 139, Entry 1114 Source: FHL Film 1526146 Baptism: 21 Mar 1830 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Thomas Christopherson - Son of James Christopherson & Ann Born: 10 Dec 1829 Abode: Aldcliffe Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: John Hull, Curate Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1831, Page 248, Entry 1978 Source: LDS Film 1526146 Baptism: 13 Jan 1833 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Joseph Christopherson - Son of James Christopherson & Ann Born: 26 Nov 1832 Abode: Aldcliffe Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: W.A. Wood Curate Register: Baptisms 1831 - 1837, Page 87, Entry 693 Source: LDS Film 1526146 Baptism: 4 Jun 1837 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Isaac Christopherson - Son of James Christopherson & Ann Born: 29 Mar 1837 Abode: Aldcliffe Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: J. Manby, Vicar Register: Baptisms 1831 - 1837, Page 291, Entry 2324 Source: LDS Film 1526146 The following baptisms also seem to be for the same James and Ann, maybe these children died Baptism: 17 Apr 1825 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Anthony Christopherson - Son of James Christopherson & Ann Born: 11 Mar 1825 Abode: Aldcliffe Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: J. Turner, Curate Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1831, Page 14, Entry 105 Source: LDS Film 1526146 Baptism: 30 Sep 1827 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England Sarah Christopherson - Dau of James Christopherson & Ann Born: 20 Aug 1827 Abode: Aldcliffe Occupation: Laborer Baptised by: R. Watson, Curate Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1831, Page 127, Entry 1013 Source: LDS Film 1526146 Ann's husband James Christopherson seems to have died in 1839 ............. Burial: 1 Feb 1839 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England James Christopherson - Age: 44 Abode: Aldcliffe Buried by: H O'Neill, Minister of St Annes Register: Burials 1832 - 1839, Page 279, Entry 2227 Source: LDS Film 1526202 Marriage of Ann and James .......... Marriage: 11 Oct 1815 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England James Christopherson - (X), Husbandman, Aldcliffe in this parish Ann Bolland - (X), Spinster, Scotforth in this parish Witness: Mary Procter; William Parr; Joseph Croskill Married by Banns by: Joseph Rowley, Curate Register: Marriages 1813 - 1819, Page 133, Entry 397 Source: LDS Film 1526200 EDIT:- see correction below. George Helm married Ann Christopherson, daughter of James Christopherson and Ann Bolland ................. shown as age 19 on the 1841 Census.
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10 522 Send Message	Potty	Report	29 Oct 2016 15:37
	Years of practice!
Member Since: June 2016 Posts: 36 Send Message	Lynn	Report	29 Oct 2016 15:35
Member Since: June 2016 Posts: 36 Send Message	wow...you are so good at this :-) :-)
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10 522 Send Message	Potty	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:58
	1841 for Aldercliffe Name:James Chrstopherson Age:11 Mo Estimated birth year:abt 1840 Gender:Male Where born:Lancashire, England Civil Parish:Lancaster Hundred:Lonsdale (South of the Sands) County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Ann Chrstopherson 40 Ann Chrstopherson 19 Thomas Chrstopherson 11 Joseph Chrstopherson 7 Issac Chrstopherson 4 James Chrstopherson 11 Mo On the same page is George Helm. This census would have been taken the day before their marriage.
Member Since: June 2016 Posts: 36 Send Message	Lynn	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:48
Member Since: June 2016 Posts: 36 Send Message	this is just wonderful.....thank you SO much..I've been searching for at least 5hours :-D :-D
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 10 522 Send Message	Potty	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:41
	Lynn, I posted on your other thread but it has been deleted! I found James with his father on the 1851, living in Garstang: Name: James Helm Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Son Father's name: George Helm Mother's name: Ann Helm Gender: Male Where born: Aldcliffe, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Garstang George Helm 30 Ann Helm 29 James Helm 11 Sarah Helm 9 Elizabeth Helm 7 Margaret Helm 4 John Helm 1 I then posted a marriage for George Helm to Ann Christopherson and a 1840 baptism for James Christopherson. Name:George Helme Gender:Male Age:Full Age Event Type:Marriage Event Date:7 Jun 1841 Parish:Lancaster, St Mary, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Lancaster, St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse:Ann Christopherson Spouse Age:Full Age Father:John Helme Spouse Father:James Christopher Register Type: Parish Register Name: James Christopherson Birth Date: 26 Jun 1840 Baptism Date: 9 Aug 1840 Parish: Lancaster, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Lancaster' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Mother: Ann Christopherson Register Type: Parish Registers Reference Number: Pr 3262/1/11
Member Since: June 2016 Posts: 36 Send Message	Lynn	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:34
Member Since: June 2016 Posts: 36 Send Message	wonderful....thankyou .....I will steer off to find George in Lancaster :-)
Member Since: January 2011 Posts: 4 821 Send Message	Flip	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:33
	You can rule out the 1841 Padiham birth, his father was Richard (from baptism record)
	Researching: Anything & everything!
Member Since: January 2011 Posts: 4 821 Send Message	Flip	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:28
	Marriage: 3 Jul 1862 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England James Helm - 21, Painter, Bachelor, Bowker Street Betsey Taylor - (X), 21, Servant, Spinster, Bowker Street Groom's Father: George Helm, Laborer Bride's Father: William Taylor, Smith Witness: John Taylor; Esther Cardwell Married by Banns by: Thos Johnson Curate Register: Marriages 1861 - 1862, Page 197, Entry 393 Source: LDS Film 93997 At least this give father's name. Taken from Lancs OPC
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Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 26 131 Send Message	Gwyn in Kent	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:24
	?????????? Lancashire bmd Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841 Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference HELM........... James......... HEYS...... Padiham... Preston PA/2/70
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12 338 Send Message	alviegal	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:23
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12 338 Send Message	This one says born Preston. 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Pleasant Street, Preston, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Helme Head - Male 31 1840 - Lancashire, England Transcription Betsy Helme Wife - Female 32 1839 - Lancashire, England Transcription William Helme Son - Male 8 1863 - Lancashire, England Transcription Martha Helme Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Helme Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Lancashire, England Transcription Alice M A Helme Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Lancashire, England Transcription Isabella A Helme Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31 288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:18
	Also posted on the General Chat board. Hi Lynn If you post a thread about the same topic on more than one board.........it will result in duplicate research by different members. It would be best to delete the thread on the General Chat board......and continue with this one. Prickles. :-)
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12 338 Send Message	alviegal	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:16
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12 338 Send Message	This is him for info. Says he was born in Lancaster. 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 8, Cannon Terrace, Lea and Ashton and Ingol and Cottam, Preston, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Helm Head Married Male 41 1840 Plumber Lancaster, Lancashire, England Transcription Betsy Helm Wife Married Female 41 1840 - Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription William Helm Son Single Male 18 1863 Plumber Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription Martha Helm Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Seamstress Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Helm Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Milliner Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription Alice Helm Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription Isabella Helm Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription Edith Helm Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription Amelia Helm Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription Betsy Helm Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Preston, Lancashire, England Transcription James Helm Son Single Male 0 1881 - Preston, Lancashire, England 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 42, Waterloo Terrace, Preston, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Helm Head Married Male 60 1841 Plumber Lancaster, Lancashire, England Transcription Betsy Helm Wife Married Female 61 1840 - Reston, Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Helm Daughter Single Female 35 1866 Dressmaker Reston, Lancashire, England Transcription James Helm Son Single Male 20 1881 Plumber Reston, Lancashire, England Transcription Martha A Helm Daughter Single Female 31 1870 Machinist Reston, Lancashire, England
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Member Since: June 2016 Posts: 36 Send Message	Lynn	Report	29 Oct 2016 14:10
Member Since: June 2016 Posts: 36 Send Message	If anybody has any information to help me find where he was born I would be grateful.....he married betsy taylor in 1862 in preston and he shows in the 1881,1891,1901 census info in preston...he died in preston in 1907 but can't find where the rascal was born and who his parents were.....

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James Helm born 1840 ...died 1907 preston