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It would be very much appreciated if someone could help find a marriage ref with regards to the following 1911 census of William and Roses:

1911 Census: 21 Coburg Rd, Wood Green.
William Graham, Head, married 20 years (51) 1860 b Holloway. Rose, Wife, (44) 1867 b Wiltshire. William (18) Carman (1893). Clara H (17) (1894) Scew Market. Horace J (13) 1898. Sidney (11) (1900). Albert (9) (1902). Lily (6) (1905) All Children born in Wood Green, london.

1901 Census: Coburg Road, Wood Green.
William Graham, head, (45), born abt 1856, Sophia R Graham, wife (35) born 1866 Cardiff, wales. William (9) (1892), Hollis (3) (1898), Clara (6) 1895), Ernest (1) (1900). All children born in Wood Green

Rose's birth certificate states that she was born: District: Malmesbury County: Wiltshire

Roselian Ellen Greenman
Born 10th April 1867
Father John Greenman ( a stone mason) and
Mother: Harriot Fillis .

On their daughters Lillian's marriage certificate her father William's name is given as John.

Thank you in advance

George

could be this marriage name john William but one brides name missing this is is Essex area


Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)

ANDERSON Annie Edmonton 3a 514 Scan available - click to view
Edwards Arthur Edwin Edmonton 3a 514 Scan available - click to view
Fisher James Edmonton 3a 514 Scan available - click to view
Graham John William Edmonton 3a 514 Scan available - click to view
NICHOLS Edith Jane Edmonton 3a 514

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1361753

(when you have a minute George, can you look at latest on above?)

Chris :)

this looks like rose in 1871



Rose Helena Greenman

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name Rose Helena Greenman
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Hullavington, Hullavington, Wiltshire, England
Enumeration District 8
Gender Female
Age 4
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Birthplace Hullavington, Wiltshire
Entry Number 12
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/1893/0021



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

John Greenman Head M 51 Hullavington, Wiltshire
Harriat Greenman Wife F 41 Hullavington, Wiltshire
Ambrose Greenman Son M 18 Hullavington, Wiltshire
Abel John Greenman Son M 12 Hullavington, Wiltshire
Cecilia Greenman Daughter F 10 Hullavington, Wiltshire
Clara Harriat Greenman Daughter F 7 Hullavington, Wiltshire
Rose Helena Greenman Daughter F 4 Hullavington, Wiltshire
Worthy James Greenman Son M 0

There are only two Graham/Greenman marriages registered on FreeBMD.

One in 1848 and one in 1877.

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1867

GREENMAN Roselian E Malmesbury West History Centre (Mother Maiden Name) PHILLERS MW/14/317

http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(1867 Birth from above link)

Chris :)

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1849

GREENMAN Ambrose Melksham History Centre (Mother Maiden Name FILLIS)


Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1852

GREENMAN Ambrose P Malmesbury West History Centre PHILLIS MW/7/385

(also others)

?

Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1848
GREENMAN John LILLIS Harriet Devizes, Seend, Holy Cross History Centre C38/1/71


Marriages Dec 1848 (>99%)
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FILLIS Harriet Melksham 8 713
GREENMAN John Melksham 8 713

????

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
Greenman Rosina Highworth 5a 40 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hyett Minnie Highworth 5a 40
Sturgess Edward James Highworth 5a 40
TANNER Frederick Highworth 5a 40

george

do you have any of the childrens birth certs ?

the marriage 1890 I gave says john William graham but one of the brides names is missing the daughter lilian says her father's name is john

Possible death reg for 1st wife Sophia recorded in 1901 census:


Deaths Mar 1902
Graham Sophia 37 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 403

possible birth for her:

Births Jun 1866 (>99%)
Harris Sophia Cardiff 11a 249

and possible marriage:

Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
CASSIE Jennie Kensington 1a 349
Dunn Richard Edgbill Kensington 1a 349
DUNN Richard Edghill Kensington 1a 349
Graham William Kensington 1a 349 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
HARRIS Sophia Kensington 1a 349 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



so if he married Rose and the above is correct then it must have been after first wifes death in 1902

I thought I had posted this after Malyon put it up. I could'nt have done it.

Name: John William Graham*******************
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Age: 23
Spouse: Edith Jane Nichols*******************
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Jul 1890
Parish: Christ Church, West Green
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: Henry John Graham
Spouse Father: James Nichols
Register Type: Parish Register