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Re my thread 22 Jan 2013: Frederick Samual b14/12/1888, and Mary Kate Ethel Barrett (Meads) b15/4/1888, both born in the UK, but married in Ontario, Canada on 4/7/1912. Frederick served as a Canadian Soldier in WW I, giving his residence as Bowmanville, 65Km ENE of Toronto.

They arrived back in the UK with 3 children at Southampton on the "Empress of Britain" on 6th October 1932 and visited Frederick's parents in West Ealing, Middlesex. Did they stay in the UK or go back to Canada or elsewhere?

After searching many shipping lists and BMD's in both countries I cannot find any more information regarding their later movements!

Perhaps SylviaInCanada (my very much appreciated help in the past) or others, can find the answers to my frustrating searches.

Terence in South Australia.

I believe to travel to Canada by boat you have to go via the USA

Have you looked for them travelling that way

What about the children .have you looked for them

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Mrs Mary K Barrett
in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: Mrs Mary K Barrett
Gender: F (Female)
Marital Status: Widow
Year: 1940
Location: Kingston, Ontario, Canada
Electoral District: Kingston City

They returned to Canada- this is the grave stone for them (Listed as Samuel)

http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/1437933

It reads:

BARRETT
Husband: Samuel J 1888- 1990
Wife : Mary K Meads 1888- 1982

Their daughter: Kathleen B Barrett 1928- 1940
Brother of Samuel: Arthur 1895- 1966
At Rest
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Attestation paper for Samuel's brother, Arthur:

Name: Arthur Barrett
Birth Date: 29 May 1895
Birth Location: Tottenham, Middlesex Co, England
Residence: Bowmanville, Ontario
Relative: Rose Barrett
Relationship: Mother
Regiment Number: 805629

Trade: Rubber Worker
Present Address: Bowmanville, Ontario
Next of Kin: Rose Barrett- mother
Address of Next of Kin: 40 Hessell Road, West Ealing, England

Seems he used Samuel/ Samuel James on passenger lists too: Same family travelling in 1926:

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Departure Date: 21 Oct 1926
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Melita
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Railway
Official Number: 136367
Master: A H Notley

Samuel Barrett 37 Farming
Mary Barrett 38 Housewife
Richard Barrett 12 School
Rose Barrett 9 School
Bruce Barrett 7 School

Last Uk Address: 7 Geneva Terrace S.W 9
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Samuel travelling alone earlier in 1926:

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Port of Departure: Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 16 Jun 1926
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Empress of France
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 136266

Samuel Jas Barrett 38 Mech Engineer

Proposed address in UK 7 Geneva Tce, Brixton, London

This is an Obituary for their eldest son, Richard Arthur:

Ontario, Canada Obituaries, 1999-2001: Kitchener Record and Windsor Star
Name: Richard Arthur Barrett
Death Date: 27 Apr 2001
Death Place: Freeport Health Centre of Grand River, Kitchener, ON
Birth Date: 88th Yr
Spouse: Gertrude Helen (LEPPINGTON)
Marriage Date: 62 Yrs
Parents: pred: Samuel (1990) & Mary (1982) Barrett
Siblings: Rose Marshall; Bruce; pred: Kathleen B. Barrett (1940);
Children: Marg (Richard); Bruce (Pat); Fred (friend Pat Robbins); Doug (Bridget); Brenda (Tom); Linda (Randy);
Grandchildren: Thirteen
Great Grandchildren: Six
Cemetery: Memory Gardens Cem.
City: Kitchener
Province/State: Ontario
Newspaper: Kitchener Waterloo Record
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His birth:
Name: Richard Arthur Barrett
Date of Birth: 22 Jul 1913
Gender: Male
Birth Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Father's name: Frederick Samuel Barrett
Mother's name: Mary Kate Ethel Meads

Sadly, their daughter Rose Elizabeth died in 2014- She married Walter Marshall in 1938 Brentford, Middlesex, England. You can read a lovely obituary of her life here:

http://www.lifenews.ca/announcement/5345804-marshall-rose-elizabeth-barrett-

MARSHALL, Rose Elizabeth (Barrett) At the age of 99 years Rose Elizabeth Marshall passed away peacefully at Westmount Long Term Care Facility, Kitchener, on December 16, 2014. Rose was born at Women's College Hospital in Toronto, Ontario on November 2, 1915 but spent much of her life living between England and Canada...(see link for full obituary)
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Rose's son Robin (Robert Frederick) died 1994- He was born in England.

This is their gravestones:
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/134108?PHPSESSID=67df80148c0295904fd1b4122015bb31

MARSHALL
Walter Henry 1912- 2002
Rose Elizabeth 1915

Beloved Parents of
Robert Frederick "Robin" 1940- 1994
Resting in Victoria B. C
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1939 Register- Rose in England with new husband Walter:

Marshall Household (2 People)
241 Lady Margaret Road , Southall M.B., Middlesex, England
Rose E Marshall 02 Nov 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Walter H Marshall 27 Feb 1912 Male Commercial Van Driver Married
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This is Rose and family travelling from UK to Canada 1951:

UK, Outward Passenger Lists,
Departure Date: 14 Jul 1951
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Halifax, Canada
Ship Name: Georgic
Shipping line: Cunard White Star Limited
Official Number: 162365
Master: W Stewart

Walter Marshall 39 Bricklayer
Rose Marshall 35 Housewife
Robert Marshall 11 Scholar

Last Address in UK: 33 Oakwood Ave, Southall, Middlesex
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So that just leaves Samuel and Mary's child, Bruce. I can't see an obituary for him yet, but from the information above we can assume he married Mary ?, and died sometime between 2001 and 2014.

I presume rego'ing a BMD is a state responsibility in Oz.
Well, in Canada, it's provincial and each province has its own rules abt the privacy of these records.
In Ont, B/M/Ds are closed for 97/82/70 y - well, technically deaths are not closed, but there's no index available to the public for 70y.


I know it's not related to the later history, but LAC is currently digitizing CEF soldiers' service records and is almost 50% done (done A-Ka).
With his service record, you can see what unit(s) he was with, and using the unit war diaries, see what that unit was doing on a dat by day basis.

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/Pages/military-heritage.aspx#databases


There's also an online history of the CEF at:
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/his/docs/CEF_e.pdf
Author: Nicholson, G.W.L
Official History of the Canadian Army in the First World War: Candian Expeditionary Force, 1914-1919

Shirley ..............


you didn't have to go to the US to get to Canada.

Entry points for Canada were either Halifax or Montreal, and ships sailed from most of the ports in England and Europe.

Hi Terry

Samuel seemingly travelled back to Canada lone in 1924

from FMP ..........


Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960

First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name BARRETT
Gender Male
Age 35
Birth year 1889
Occupation FARMING
Departure year 1924
Departure day 29
Departure month 5
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port QUEBEC
Destination QUEBEC
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name MELITA
Ship official number 136367
Ship master's first name A H
Ship master's last name CLEWS
Shipping line CANADIAN PACIFIC
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 16568
Ship registered tonnage 14000
Number of passengers 334
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australia & New Zealand, United Kingdom, Ireland, United States & Canada

from image:-

Last Address in UK:- 7 Geneva Terrace, SW9
Occupation:- Farming
Country of Next Intended Permanent Residence:- Canada
Travelling 3rd Class

Travelling alone

Thanks Sylvia

I mentioned the USA entry as our Gran went for a six month visit to relations in Toronto in 1948 and she went out on the Queen Elizabeth and came home on the Queen Mary

In both cases she travelled New York /Southampton

Her outward border crossing records says in transit .

I thought at that time that was the usual way to get to Canada.

Thank you so much Shirley, Austin Q, mgnv and especially SylviainCanada yet again, for all your help. I did not realize that other family members went to Canada and some traveled between there and the UK regularly!
I can now ad much more to the history of this family.
Again, thank you all very much.

Terence.

Terence

you are very welcome

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