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A family member has asked me for help regarding a William Watch b.c.1813,Weymouth,Dorset.According to a Ancestry tree he married twice
to an Elizabeth Applin and a Susanna Fraser.No dates for either marriage are given.I have been unable to confirm either marriage.Can anybody help me out, please?
Regards,Terry L.

Devon Marriages Transcription
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First name(s) William
Last name Watch
Marriage year 1834
Marriage date 18 Jan 1834
Parish Stoke Damerel
Place Stoke Damerel
Spouse's first name(s) Susanna
Spouse's last name Frazer
Denomination Anglican
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Chapelry Stairs, Weymouth, Dorset, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Watch Head Married Male 49 1812 Coal Porter Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Elizabeth Watch Wife Married Female 42 1819 - Beaminster, Dorset, England
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Albert Watch Son - Male 14 1847 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Robert Watch Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Amelia Watch Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Elizabeth M Watch Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Thomas H Watch Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England

There's this one in 1851, says married but no wife with him although there a 5 month old daughter.

William Watch

in the 1851 England Census
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Name: William Watch
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Weymo, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Weymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Weymouth
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County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Weymouth
Sub-registration district: Upway
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Piece: 1857
Folio: 348
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Watch 36
William Watch 11
Edwd Watch 8
Albert Watch 5
Robt Watch 2
Amelia Watch 5 Mo

William Robert Watch
England, Dorset, Parish Registers
Name William Robert Watch
Event Type Christening
Event Date 13 Aug 1840
Event Place Holy Trinity, Weymouth, Dorset, England
Father's Name William Watch
Mother's Name Elizabeth Applen

WILLIAM
Last name WATCH
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1850
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ WILLIAM WATCH married one of these people
ELIZABETH GOULD JEANES, DEBORAH AUTELL, PHOEBY BISHOP, MARY ALLEN MABEY, DEBORAH ANTELL
District WEYMOUTH
District number -
County Dorset
Country England
Volume 8
Page 273
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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Thanks,safc.I thought that the Ancestry tree seemed to point to the Frazer marriage as his second marriage.By the marriage you have found it would appear she was his first??? Couldn't find William in 1841 Census,but 1851 states he is married but there is no wife name given.His age given as 36.Living Weymouth.
Terry L.

1861
illiam Watch Head Married Male 49 1812 Coal Porter Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Elizabeth Watch Wife Married Female 42 1819 - Beaminster, Dorset, England
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Albert Watch Son - Male 14 1847 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Robert Watch Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Amelia Watch Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Elizabeth M Watch Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England
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Thomas H Watch Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar Weymouth, Dorset, England

13-AUG-1840; William Robert APPLEN; Son of; William WALCH & Elizabeth APPLEN

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Thanks to everybody.I'm still confused as to when he married Elizabeth Applen if he married Susanna Frazer in 1834? I also found "Maddies" marriages in 1850 and assumed the Elizabeth in 1861 Census was that Elizabeth Gould Jeans.Are we looking at 2 different William Watch,I wonder??

"Confused",Terry L.

Births Sep 1840 (>99%)
Watch William Robert Weymouth 8 126

didn't marry Jeannes

Name: Elizabeth Gould Jeanes
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1850
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Weymouth, Dorset, England
Father: William Williams Jeanes
Mother:
Spouse: Henry Madgwick

Edward
Last name Watch
Gender Male
Birth year 1843
Birth place -
Baptism year 1857
Baptism date 1857
Residence Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England
Place Melcombe Regis
County Dorset
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Watch
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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following on from safc's post: It doesn't appear they were married- (well, not in 1840). Image on Ancestry

Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: William Robert Watch Applen- Base born
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1840
Baptism Place: Weymouth Holy Trinity, Dorset, England
Father: William Watch (Labourer)
Mother: Elizabeth Applen

Thanks again to all you researchers.The only thing missing is when,and if, William actually married Elizabeth Applen?.
Best to you all,Terry L.

maybe she never did marry him.

There were at least as many common-law marriages among our ancestors as there are today.

I agree- I don't believe they married. Perhaps he was still married (or maybe she was?) There was usually a reason as to why people didn't marry.

The 1850 Weymouth marriage is not your bloke. That marriage was between William and Phoeby Bishop and they are still together in 1881

If your William did marry Susanna Frazer, I couldn't see a death for her- however, there is this marriage- so maybe Susanna married bigamously?:

First name(s) Susanna
Last name Watch
Age Full
Birth year -
Widow
Marriage year 1846
Marriage date 07 Jan 1846
Denomination Anglican
Place Stoke Damerel
Father's name(s) Daniel Frazer (Blacksmith)
Spouse's first name(s) Richard
Spouse's last name Stone
Spouse's age Full
Occupation: Marine
Spouse's father's name(s) Stephen Stone (Blacksmith)
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
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possibly them in 1851:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21, Rush Grove, Woolwich St Marys, Greenwich, Kent, England

Richard Stone Head Married Male 32 1819 Royal Marines Corporal Blackford, Somerset
Susanah Stone Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Devonport, Devon, England

Thanks,to all,once again.So the mystery remains.The tree(Watch Family) on Ancestry seems to indicate that William was married to Elizabeth and had 7 children and later married Susanna Fraser and had 1 more child. I've seen so many misleading "facts" on Ancestry that it makes you doubt things.Maybe we will never
know?
All the best,Terry L.

trees on ancestry cannot be trusted!!

People copy information from other trees without seeing if there is any documentation, and then they fail to do their own due diligence.

I've seen 20 or more trees who all copied from each other .......... and all had the wrong information, but it was impossible to determine the "original" one.


I think Austin is correct ........

It looks like William married Susanna in 1834, as safc posted earlier (and re-posted here for you) .........

Devon Marriages Transcription
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First name(s) William
Last name Watch
Marriage year 1834
Marriage date 18 Jan 1834
Parish Stoke Damerel
Place Stoke Damerel
Spouse's first name(s) Susanna
Spouse's last name Frazer
Denomination Anglican
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

The marriage then seems to have broken down, and William and Susanna went their separate ways.

Austin found a marriage for a Susanna Watch nee Frazer in 1846 in Devon

So ............... it seems that Susanna married bigamously in Devon, and possibly moved to Greenwich, Kent by 1851.

Meanwhile, William stayed in Dorset, and formed a relationship with Elizabeth.

The only legitimate child then would be the one with Susannah, if hthere was one.

The children with Elizabeth are illegitimate, as indicated by the fact that at least one of them was registered and baptised under mother's surname.

Maybe William did not marry Elizabeth because he did stay in Dorset, and everyone would have known about Susannah.