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So, 'your' John died in 1974 then.......


Name: John Brown
Birth Date: 4 May 1887
Date of Registration: Mar 1974
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 1017

Did you find out if your friend had that marriage cert. or any other details?

Dea x

Sorry about the long delay between posts.

Computer is broken and I'm having to borrow laptop, when it's not needed by family members..........

Yes,Sylvia,I think your find for 1901 is probably correct.

He's not easy to track with such a common name and constant change of occupation.

Dea

That could have built into an interesting scenario, but I know John was alive much later........
Thanks for still searching.

Oh dear !!! - I think this puts a stop to that theory :-( :-(


Brown Household (4 People) 26 Holland Street , Brighton C.B., Sussex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
John ? Brown 12 May 1890 Photographer All Br?ches
~??? Brown 05 Mar 1892 Unpaid Domestic Duties (looks like Nellie on image)
Mary Homer (Brown) 25 Feb 1922 Printing Machine Hand
Marjorie Homer (Brown) 08 May 1932 At School


Deaths Sep 1952
BROWN John W O 62 Brighton 5h 84

Dea x :-(

Looks like 'that' John married a Nelly Vickers - could that have been his first wife who you are looking for?

Name: John William Osborn Brown
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1890
Father's name: John Brown - Boot maker
Mother's name: Annie Brown
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers
Born 12th May - 69 Coronet ??? St.



Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
**BROWN John W O Brighton 2b 504 Scan available - click to view
EPPS Edith L Brighton 2b 504 Scan available - click to view
Howard William H Brighton 2b 504 Scan available - click to view
**Vickers Nellie Brighton 2b 504

They had possibly 5 children - the youngest born 1932 all in Brighton so it 'could' fit?

Dea x

Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%)
**Brown John Weymouth 5a 497 Scan available - click to view
Sansom William Weymouth 5a 497 Scan available - click to view
**SHEPHARD Annie Weymouth 5a 497 Scan available - click to view
STONE Mary Elizabeth Weymouth 5a 497 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

Must go and get dressed but I think that this could be relevant??


????????????????? - VERY strange ages !!!
Name: John Brown
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Paddington, London, England
Civil Parish: Brighton
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County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: 13 Sloane Street Brighton
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Bacon Draper *** He is a grocers porter - Mother Annie is a bacon DRYER.
Registration district: Brighton
Registration District Number: 79
Sub-registration district: East Brighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 5110
Household Members:
Name Age
*Annie Brown 29 - widow, married 31 years, 6 children (3 have died).
John Brown 20 b. Paddington
James Robert Brown 17 b. Brighton

*Annie b. Broadway, Dorset.

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Name: John William Osborn Brown - Bacon Curer !!!
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1891
Birth Place: Paddington, Middlesex, England
Enlistment Age: 18
Document Year: 1909
Regimental Number: 601
Other Regimental Numbers: 5456, 40448
Regiment Name: Royal Field Artillery
Number of Images: 4
Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation
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Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
John William Osborn Brown Self (Head)
Annie Sheppard Mother - ***** 13 SLOANE ST, BRIGHTON !!!
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Bloomsbury Place, Brighton, Sussex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard A E Berkeley Head Married Male 44 1857 Traveller ( Wine Merchant) Herne Bay, Kent, England
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Florence C Berkeley Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Brixton, Surrey, England
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Louis A Margrat Boarder Single Male 23 1878 Wine Merchant France
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Annie Brown Servant Widow Female 46 1855 General Servant Domestic Broadway, Dorset, England
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***William J Brown Boarder Single Male 10 1891 - Paddington, Middlesex, England
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James R Brown Boarder Single Male 6 1895 - Brighton, Sussex, England



Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Brown John William O Paddington 1a 52

Dea x

so is the 1901 Census that I found correct??

Sorry, Sylvia.I missed you there.........Thank you for sticking with this.

The names and occupations in the 1939 register are correct. My friend confirmed the address was known to her too.

John was a lodger in the household and later married a daughter of the family.
We still don't know anything about a possible previous marriage for him and with such a common name we are unlikely to find proof,...but that's part of the challenge !

Many thanks for your help.

Thank you .Dea.

I didn't know about the updating, that's why I was unsure from the posting just how the names were recorded in 1939.

This is the correct family and the BROWN link to Lilian is just coincidence. Frederick did have a distant link pre marriage to my friend's family, but on the maternal side rather than the paternal BROWNs.

My friend is very grateful for all the help given and also confirmed that John's father was David.

As to an earlier marriage for John, we'll keep on wondering...and looking.

Many thanks.

Just one point ...................

I found a John Brown living in London, b.ca 1889, and thought the same as Dea "only 2 years out", BUT .............. he was born in London, lived with his father and worked with fish

I THINK the one Dea found in 1939 with the Jeoffroys' and shown as Fish Curer is that one.

As I posted earlier - both Doris and Lilian married 'Brown's '

Both later than 1939 - dates and details given above !!!

Doris was a Jeoffroy in 1939 but those details got updated until around 1991 (because they were used to start the records for the NHS)


Lilian alsdo started off as a Jeoffroy !!


Dea x

Thank you for searching Sylvia and Dea.

The marriage to Doris looks correct, but I haven't been able to get in touch yet to find more details. Will try again............

Just to clarify..
Is Doris shown as BROWN in 1939?

and Lilian's surname too please.

Lilian also married a 'Brown' - any connection?

Marriages Jun 1941 (>99%)
Brown Frederick W Jeoffroy Ilford 4a 1443 Scan available - click to view
JEOFFROY Lilian M Brown Ilford 4a 1443 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

Did he marry a Doris please?


Marriages Jun 1942 (>99%)
Brown John Jeoffrey Deptford 1d 1613 Scan available - click to view
Edwards Josephine R Laney Deptford 1d 1613 Scan available - click to view
Jeoffrey Doris A M Brown Deptford 1d 1613 Scan available - click to view
Laney George E Edwards Deptford 1d 1613 Scan available - click to view




1939 Register Transcription

Jeoffrey Household (5 People) 48 Kerry Road , Deptford, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
John Brown 14 May 1889 Fish Curer
William J (S) Jeoffrey 15 May 1872 Fishmongers Assistant
Elizabeth Jeoffrey 01 Aug 1866 Unpaid Housewife
Doris (Amy M) Brown 01 Apr 1908 Wholesale Newsagent Clerk
Lilian (I M) Brown (Jeoffrey) 18 Feb 1903 Unpaid Domestic Dut


John's date of birth 'could' say 4th May ?? - The year is a couple out but this is not unusual.

Dea x

Is that your John Brown living in Hammersmith on the 1911, as Draper's Assistant?

If so, any marriage is likely to be in the London area.

I don't see him in the WW1 records, which could show a marriage and dependents.

Susan Stevens on the 1891 was Mother-in-Law

so this is that same family in 1901

1901 Census

Name: David Brown
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ellen Brown
Birth Place: West Hoathly, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Hove
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 22

Piece: 938
Folio: 30
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 15

David Brown 45 Gardener
Ellen Brown 49 b.ca 1852, Lechlade, Gloucestershire, Laundress
Fanny M Brown 23 b.ca 1878, East Grinstead, Sussex, Laundress
David Brown 19 b.ca 1882, East Grinstead, Railway Labourer
John Brown 13 b.ca 1888, Brighton, Coal Boy
Susan H Brown 11 b.ca 1890, Brighton

Address:- 19 Clarendon Road



hmmmm .......... could Ellen be a second wife??

.......Trying to remember snippets of conversation, when we've talked about family, I think this MAY be John's family in 1891....

Name: David Brown
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: West Hoathly, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Brighton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Brighton
Sub registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
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Piece: 809
Folio: 91
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
David Brown 37
Ellen Brown 39
Fanny M Brown 13
David Brown 9
John Brown 3
Susan H Brown 1
Susan Stevens 68

Sylvia, Thank you for your interest.

My friend was an only child and very likely has paperwork relating to her parents.

I will ask tomorrow..............

does your friend have her father's marriage certificate?

That might help if he names a father