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I am kicking myself because I meant to ask sooner and forgot.

I am going to the Pimlico area in London on Saturday and two of my ancestors were born in Pimlico in the 1800s when my Greatgrandfather, James Woodford, a Stonemason, was obviously working there. The family came from Buckinghamshire and other family members were born in different places, presumably where the work took them but they ended up back in their Bucks village of Gawcott.

Harry was born in 1876 and Flora in 1872 in Pimlico, I'd love to know the address they stayed at. I'd love to know where GtGrandfather worked but can't see any way of finding out.

Coincidentally, of all the children born to James and MaryAnn, Harry was the only one to follow in his father's footsteps and they both worked on Liverpool cathedral, where Harry met his wife to be and stayed in Birkenhead. Haven't tracked Harry and family down sadly.

If anyone can find the info re Pimlico addresses I would be so grateful. Pm me please altho I will put this thread on Watched too

Lizx

they were back in Buckinghamshire by 1881

England Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Aylesbury Road, Wendover, Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
James Woodford Head Married Male 35 1846 Stone Mason Gawcott, Buckinghamshire, England Transcription
Mary Ann Woodford Wife Married Female 38 1843 - Great Tew, Oxfordshire, England Transcription
Sarah Marion Woodford Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Gawcott, Buckinghamshire, England Transcription
Flora Woodford Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Pimlico, Middlesex, England Transcription
Harry Woodford Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Pimlico, Middlesex, England Transcription
Beatrice Woodford Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire, England Transcription
Agnes Woodford Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire, England Transcription
Census details
First name(s)

FLORA
Last name WOODFORD
Birth year 1872
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ST. GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 375
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
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Was baptised in Gawcott though

Flora
Last name Woodford
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1872
Baptism date 21 Jul 1872
Place Gawcott
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Woodford
Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms

HARRY
Last name WOODFORD
Birth year 1876
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ST. GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 389
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms


You may have to get one of the certs for the address

James is married but on his own in Surrey in 1871


Name: James Woodford
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Gawcott, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Chipstead
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 833
Folio: 54
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Hughes 63
Sarah Hughes 66
Israel Hughes 22
Henry Hughes 19
William Hughes 9
Margaret Woolmer 5
James Woodford 25 occ stonemason

Mary is with the in laws

1871 census
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Name: Mary Ann Woodford
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Great Tew, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Gawcott
Town: Gawcott
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Buckingham
Sub-registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 1423
Folio: 62
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
William Woodford 65
Ann Woodford 63
Mary Ann Woodford 28
Sarah M Woodford 1

James isn't on the London electoral rolls so think the only way is to get one of the children's birth certs for the address

Here is Harry on the 1911 census


England Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Richmond Avenue Urmston, Urmston, Lancashire,
Harry Woodford Head Married Male Stonemason 35 1876 London Pimlico
Lizzie Woodford Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Cheshire Chester Transcription
Marion Flora Woodford Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Flintshire Connahs Quay Transcription
Beatrice Winifred Woodford Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Flintshire Connahs Quay Transcription
Olive Woodford Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Lancashire Urmston Transcription
Phyllis Mary Woodford Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Lancashire Urmston aged 2 months
Married 7 years 4 children born


Note the various places his children were born

Thanks so much, Shirley, I 'll give you a hug on Saturday. Have been looking forward to meeting you.

I wonder if James was working on St George's Church. It must have been a bit of an undertaking in those days to uproot a family and take them off to a new place, with maybe the mother already pregnant with Flora.

Funnily enough I think it was Flora who ended up living in London when she was an adult and her granddaughter still lives there, if she is still alive. I must check out my info, it's all a bit of a muddle atm.

My grandfather Alfred was born later on, in Wendover, Bucks. Some of the family were born in Waddesdon, which is where the Rothchild family lived. There was a programme on recently showing the Manor house and the new Flint house. I think GtGrandfather worked on the Manor house according to a cousin of my Dad's who gave me lots of info and anecdotes before she died, bless her. Also some of the girls worked in service there. If I hassled my Dad for something he couldn't afford, he would always say 'who do you think I am, Rothchild?' I think it must have been a family saying lol

Thanks again, Shirley. It's too late to get birth certificate info now but if I do it later, maybe I'll get o.h. to visit the area with me for a few days and have a good look around.

See you soon, take care

Lizxx

WOODFORD First name HARRY Born 1876 Died 1929 Event 1929 Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Location West Derby, Lancashire, Englan

Sorry I pad went down and this is how the iPhone posts

My Dad's cousin, who incidentally was James' daughter Agnes' child, told me Harry married an Emily Jones whose family had an antique shop in Chester, but I have seen the Lizzie part before (same name as me I assume, Elizabeth?) and among the bundles of photos Mum left was a small pic of two young women, entitled 'Birkenhead cousins' According to Agnes' daughter Olive became a missionary and went to Kenya with her husband and two sons whe were educated at Kenya High school.
Poor Phyllis died driving an ambulance in Bristol, in the Blitz.

At least one of the sisters had to have a pacemaker fitted, it seems to be a recurrent theme in our family, with my cousin, Agnes' daughter, and Harry's daughter needing them.

Thanks again
Lizxx

Oh, I am wondering what Harry died of, he was quite young (53). Maybe it was the dust from the stone.
No sign of him in Liverpool or Birkinhead then?

Get his death cert. to find out.

Did you know that the officers mess at RAF Halton just up the road from Wendover was a Rothchild's place donated to the government. Never been in but said to have wonderful features, wonder what the date of it is? Your ancestor may have had a hand in that too.

:-)

1939 Register

Woodford Household (5 People)
60 Bottom Flat Kingsway , Crosby M.B., Lancashire, England

Lizzie Woodford 04 May 1875 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 345 1
Marion F Woodford 19 Feb 1905 Female Office Secretary ? Church ? Single 345 2
Beatrice W Nelson (Woodford) 25 Sep 1906 Female Office Clerk Single 345 3
Olive Redding (Woodford) ? Jun 1909 Female Shop Manageress Dyers & Cleaners Single 345 4
Miriam F Woodford 12 Apr 1912 Female Shop Assistant (Confection?) Single 345 5

I pad got a bit of charge again so here's the GRO ref

HARRY
Last name WOODFORD
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1876
Age 53
Death quarter 2
Death year 1929
District WEST DERBY
County Lancashire
Volume 8B
Page 278
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years 1903

WOODFORD Harry JONES Lizzie Waverton, St Peter Cheshire West CE52/1/194

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1941

WOODFORD Beatrice W NELSON Walter Crosby, St Luke South Sefton A10/5/242

WOODFORD Olive REDDING Arthur Crosby, St Luke South Sefton A10/5/250

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php


(other)

Marriages Jun 1953 (>99%)
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KNEALE Lawrence S WOODFORD Crosby 10c 166
WOODFORD Miriam F KNEALE Crosby 10c 166


Death

First name(s) MARION FLORA
Last name WOODFORD
Gender Female
Birth day 19
Birth month 2
Birth year 1905
Death quarter 4
Death year 1989
District WALLASEY
Register number 1189
County Cheshire
Volume 37
Page 1170


Death

First name(s) MIRIAM FRANCES
Last name KNEALE
Gender Female
Birth day 12
Birth month 4
Birth year 1912
Death quarter 1
Death year 2005
District DENBIGH SOUTH
District number 805/1
Register number 77
Entry number 038
Date of registration mm/yy 0105


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=woodford&yearOfDeath=1990&page=1#calendar

(Probate Marion F)

Chris :)

(no help with Flora London address, but saw snippet!)

26 March 1870 - Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press - Buckingham

Birth
March 17, at Gawcott, the wife of Mr. James Woodford, mason, of a daughter.



Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 (Find My Past)

First name(s) ARTHUR
Last name REDDING
Gender Male
Age 43
Birth year 1911
Marital status M
Occupation INSPECTOR OF WORK
Departure year 1954
Departure day 20
Departure month 5
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port LAGOS
Destination LAGOS
Country NIGERIA
Destination country NIGERIA
Ship name AUREOL
(with Olive, last UK address, 9, Park Lane, Liverpool)

(also 1958, occ. Gas Works Manager, Date of Birth 16/5/10, Olive 4/6/09. 1947, Arthur alone, same address as Probate for Lizzie)

Still in Crosby
LIZZIE
Last name WOODFORD
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1876
Age 79
Death quarter 2
Death year 1955
District CROSBY
County Lancashire
Volume 10C
Page 82
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

There is a probate for Lizzie

Lizzie Woodford of 30 Hatton Hill Road Litherland Lancashire ,widow , died 28th April 1955. Probate Chester 23,August to Marion Flora Woodford,spinster and Beautrice Winifred Nelson wife of Walter Nelson. Effects £.1478.13.7p

BEATRICE WINIFRED
Last name NELSON
Gender Female
Birth day 25
Birth month 9
Birth year 1906
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1988
District DROITWICH
Register number 188
County Worcestershire
Volume 29
Page 244
Country England

WALTER
Last name NELSON
Gender Male
Birth day 7
Birth month 6
Birth year 1899
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1993
District WORCESTER
District number 5271B
Register number B49E
Entry number 289
Date of registration mm/yy 0993
County Worcestershire
Country England

Thanks all, especially Shirley, for all this info. Just being in an area my ancestors called home gets me emotional. When I went into Liverpool Cathedral knowing my Gt Grandfathef and Great uncle Harry worked on the building was very special.

Lizx