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you're welcome :-)

Unfortunately what the various passenger records seem to show is that they had no children.

I did search South African archives on line for records like estates, but there were no references to any forms of the names, so they must have died after the dates available there.

thank you! Odd about the name though as she was always known as Eileen, and even in that old address book I mentioned earlier, she is clearly written as Eileen. Maybe she didn't like her proper name …… but thank you ever so much anyway xx

aha, Moston not Mouton :-)

Probably Nuthurst Road, Moston same area as Chadderton in Greater Manchester so you did good JoonieCloonie....

Name: Eveline McKenna, housewife
Birth Date: abt 1905
Age: 49 (traveled after 49th birthday in April)

John McKenna, hairdresser
Birth Date: abt 1907
Age: 47 (travelled before 48th birthday)

Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 9 Jul 1954
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England

address in UK:

113 Bathurst Road? (it could be Nutburnt for all I can tell!)
New Mouton?? Manchester 16
Ports of Voyage: Durban
Ship Name: Arundel Castle

so the 1954 passenger record is likely them departing again

aha, seems to be Nuthurst, in the 1939 register

Scott Household (5 People)
113 Nuthurst Road , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England
Annie Scott 24 Jun 1896 Tie Ironer
Elizabeth Scott 04 Aug 1873 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Thomas William Scott 02 Nov 1907 Bus Conductor
Elizabeth E Sundy (Scott) 28 Apr 1913 Embroidery Machinist
Dorothy Shaw (Scott) 11 Nov 1915 Tie Machinist

so if this is the correct couple, those seem to be her family

Elizabeth Scott who married Sundy
Dorothy Scott who married Shaw
could be sisters
and Elizabeth possibly her mother

1911

Thomas William Scott 44
Elizabeth Scott 37
Robert Turton Scott 16
Annie Scott 14
James Oliver Scott 12
Walter Scott 9
> Evelyn Scott 5
Thomas William Scott 3
Florence Margaret Scott 1
at 5 Times Street Miles Platting Manchester
registration district Prestwich

Births Jun 1905
Scott Eveline Prestwich 8d 354

are you sure she was Eileen and not Pauline?

this household in 1939 matches one of the passenger records

McKenna Household (2 People)
239 Hollinwood Avenue , Chadderton U.D., Lancashire, England
John McKenna 29 ? 1906 Gents Hairdresser >>> Shopkeeper
Pauline McKenna 25 Apr 1905 Machinist Gas Proof Clothing

there is a big ink blot over his month of birth ... possibly manipulating the image would bring it up, but I can't make it out now

hold on ... the image doesn't say Pauline, it says Eveline

So I think this is them and they are likely your couple

Marriages Dec 1933
McKenna John Scott Manchester N. 8d 1055
Scott Eveline McKenna Manchester N. 8d 1055

Births Jun 1905
Scott Eveline Prestwich 8d 354

There's also this one, also travelling with his wife (no name just Mrs. McKenna) but no occupation or address given:-

First name(s) J
Last name MCKENNA
Title MR
Gender Male
Departure year 1954
Departure day 30
Departure month 9
Departure port LONDON
Destination port CAPE
Destination CAPE
Country SOUTH AFRICA
Destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship name BRAEMAR CASTLE
Ship official number 184728
Ship master's first name R A D
Ship master's last name CAMBRIDGE
Ship master's title CAPTAIN
Shipping line UNION-CASTLE
City LONDON
Ship destination port EAST AFRICA
Ship destination country AFRICA
Ship registered tonnage 9490
Number of passengers 516
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

that's interesting, Catherine. I just wish I had more information to go on. Somewhere in the recesses of my memory I seem to think mum said he had a news agency shop? But who knows, I will keep this in mind, and save everything everyone has suggested, thanks

Possible ????

First name(s) J
Last name MCKENNA
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 42
Birth year 1907
Marital status M
Occupation CLERK
Departure year 1949
Departure day 31
Departure month 3
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port CAPE
Destination CAPE
Country SOUTH AFRICA
Destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship name EDINBURGH CASTLE
Ship official number 57427
Ship master's first name S W
Ship master's last name MCALLEN
Ship master's title CAPT
Shipping line UNION-CASTLE-LINE
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship registered tonnage 17000
Number of passengers 609
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

Travelling with a Mrs. McKenna aged 43yrs
Address:- 239 Hollingwood Ave., (looks like) Chadderton

Chadderton is near Oldham, Greater Manchester.

Thank you for looking anyway. I suspect this is going to simply be just one more mystery I am not going to solve. Thanks again.

I don't see their marriage anywhere in the UK, I'm afraid.

oh and thank you for the 1911 census, I have that attached to Edward (dad) already. Mrs Cullen at the end had a son and I think he married one of the McKenna girls later …. kept things in the family!!!!

thank you. Sadly I have no idea at all when they emigrated but I would hazard a guess it was in the 1940's maybe. Sadly all the family who may have known are now deceased. I have only recently discovered an old address book of my late mother's and never looked through it before, it does give an address for Eileen, but from over40 years ago, and is scrubbed out. Your 2nd suggestion could be them I suppose, but there are just so many McKenna's in Manchester at that time ……. :-S

Don't know if this rather useless record is them or not. No further details available on Ancestry:

Mckenna
in the South Africa, Immigration Index, 1858-1986
Name: Mckenna
Origin: Manchester
Settlement Place: Albany, South Africa

Just for helpers' reference:


John McKenna
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John McKenna
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Greater Manchester, England
[Manchester, Lancashire, England]
Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 16 Dora St M/c
Occupation: Infant
Registration district: Manchester
Registration District Number: 466
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 24147
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward McKenna 45
Alice McKenna 43
Alice McKenna 15
Maggie McKenna 13
Nellie McKenna 11
John McKenna 4
Kate Cullen 54 - servant



Did John and Eileen marry in Manchester?
Do you have any idea as to when they went to SA?

is anyone connected to a John McKenna, born 1906 in Manchester, who married a lady called Eileen ( sorry, I do not know her surname), who left Manchester to go and live in Cape Town South Africa? His parents were Edward McKenna, born in Dundalk , Irelend, and Alice Schofield, of Manchester? John would have been my late mother's uncle. I know nothing about them Im afraid, I do not know even if they had any children, but they would have died in SA, probably 1960's or later?