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I'd wondered about that marriage before, safc.

However, it looks like this couple. This Henrietta's POB is variously Bermondsey, Surrey or Ipswich, Suffolk, in different censuses.
And she's ten years younger than Patricia's Henrietta.


Henrietta Shutts
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Henrietta Shutts
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Shutts
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Piece: 323
Folio: 150
Page Number: 55
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Shutts 25
Henrietta Shutts 26
Henrietta M Shutts 1

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Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
Martin Charles Greenwich 1d 758
Paye Henrietta Greenwich 1d 758 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Shutt Charles Greenwich 1d 758
Vincent Caroline Elizabeth Greenwich 1d 758

Canterbury Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) James
Last name Pay
Birth year 1846
Marriage year 1867
Marriage date 12 Oct 1867
Place Alkham, St Anthony the Martyr
Spouse's first name(s) Margaret
Spouse's last name Moseling
Groom's age 21
Bride's age 25
Bride's father's first name(s) William
Bride's father's last name Moseling
County Kent
Country England
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Archive reference U3/267
Year range 1838-1983
Page 45
Record set Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry marriages 1538-1928
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
South Alkham, Alkham, Dover, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Stephen Hedgecock Head Married Male 36 1815 Blacksmith Nonington, Kent, England
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Ann Hedgecock Wife Married Female 30 1821 Blacksmith's Wife Whitfield, Kent, England
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William Vitnale Visitor Unmarried Male 19 1832 Labour Hougham, Kent, England
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James Pay Visitor Unmarried Male 3 1848 At Home London, Middlesex, England

Thank you all for your replies. This is the first time I have posted a message so was not quite sure of the best way to word it or how much info I needed to put in so will now try to clarify my request. I have managed to trace the Pay family back to William b1721 through Church records both in direct line and details of many siblings. Henrietta had a daughter Ann b1842 Goodnestone and a son James Japheth b1847 London (my g-grandfather) both were illegitimate. When Henrietta is shown in London in the 1851 census James Japheth is at Alkham in Kent where he lived until he died in1909. I have not been able to find a marriage or death record for Henrietta or any further census recordsThe birth of James Japheth was not registered.

Welcome to the Community Boards Patricia.


(I'll let Patricia know how to find her replies) :-)

that on is born too late Malyon . she was born circa 1847

possibly this one

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
28, Buckland Street, Buckland, Dover, Kent, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Pay Head Widow Female 64 1797 - Kent, England Transcription
Mary A Pay Daughter Unmarried Female 30 1831 Dressmaker Kent, England Transcription
Henrietta Pay Granddaughter Unmarried Female 14 1847 General Servant Kent, England Transcription


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
25, Maison Dieu Road, Charlton Near Dover, Dover, Kent, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Kingsford Head Married Male 69 1812 Nil Dividends Houses Land Etc Dover, Kent, England Transcription
Emily Kingsford Wife Married Female 40 1841 - Ashford, Kent, England Transcription
Ernest Walker Nephew Single Male 14 1867 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Henrietta Pay Servant Single Female 35 1846 Cook Domestic Serv Dover, Kent, England Transcription
Victoria Taylor Servant Single Female 16 1865 Housemaid Domestic Serv Dover, Kent, England Transcription

Henriette Pay
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name Henriette Pay
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Kent
Parish Tenterden
Sub-District Tenterden
Registration District Tenterden
Gender Female
Age 66
Birthplace Buckland, Kent
Record Type Household

so if Henrietta is your grt x grandmother who do you descend from of her children/child

:-D

mum mary is a widow by 1861

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wingham Street, Wingham, Eastry, Kent, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Taylor Head Married Male 27 1834 Agricultural Labourer Staple, Kent, England Transcription
Mary Taylor Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Goodnestone, Kent, England Transcription
Mary Taylor Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Wingham, Kent, England Transcription
Mary Pay Nurse Widow Female 62 1799 Nurse Goodnestone, Kent, England Transcription

It would be helpful to know the name of her child that you descend from

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Goodnestone, Eastry, Kent, England
Edward Pay Head Married Male 55 1796 Ag Labr Nonington, Kent, England Transcription
Mary Pay Wife Married Female 51 1800 - Goodnestone, Kent, England Transcription
Albert Pay Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 - Goodnestone, Kent, England Transcription
Jane Pay Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Scholar Goodnestone, Kent, England Transcription
George Pay Son - Male 12 1839 Scholar Goodnestone, Kent, England

she is with her parents in 1841

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Goodnestone Street, Goodnestone, Eastry, Kent, England

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Edward Pay Male 45 1796 Kent, England Transcription
Mary Pay Female 40 1801 Kent, England Transcription
Heneretta Pay Female 15 1826 Kent, England Transcription
Albert Pay Male 10 1831 Kent, England Transcription
Mary Pay Female 8 1833 Kent, England Transcription
Jane Pay Female 4 1837 Kent, England Transcription
George Pay Male 2 1839 Kent, England Transcription

Looks like poor little Ann possibly didn't survive for long

Canterbury Burials Transcription

First name(s) Ann
Last name Pay
Birth year 1842
Death year 1842
Age 0
Burial year 1842
Burial date 29 Dec 1842
Burial place Goodnestone next Wingham, Holy Cross
County Kent
Country England
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Archive reference U3/232/1/5
Page 27
Year range 1813-1923
Record set Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry burials 1538-1988
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
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Canterbury Baptisms Transcription
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First name(s) Henrietta
Last name Pay
Birth year 1823
Birth date 18 Feb 1823
Baptism year 1823
Baptism date 14 Feb 1823
Place Goodnestone next Wingham, Holy Cross
Father's first name(s) Edward
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Kent
Country England
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Archive reference U3/232/1/2
Year range 1813-1893
Record set Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry baptisms 1538-1912
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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is this her daughter

Henrietta Pay
mentioned in the record of Ann Pay
Name Henrietta Pay
Gender Female
Daughter Ann Pay
Name Ann Pay
Gender Female
Christening Date 25 Apr 1842
Christening Place Goodnestone (near Sandwich), Kent, England
Birth Date 20 Apr 1842
Mother's Name Henrietta Pay

Ann
Last name Pay
Gender Female
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1842
Birth year 1842
Age at death Infant
Burial year 1842
Burial date 29 Dec 1842
Burial place Goodnestone (Near Sandwich), Kent, England
Place Goodnestone (Near Sandwich)
County Kent
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Category

Who did she marry, Patricia?

For our information

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Monkwell Street, Saint Olave Silver Street, City of London, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Harriet Williams Head Widow Female 32 1819 Needle Maker Berkshire, England
Henrieatta Pay Visitor Unmarried Female 28 1823 Needle Maker Goodnestone, Kent, England

Henrietta b1823 Goodnestone Kent last found 1851 census as a visitor at Monkwell Street London. Would love to know if anyone has been able to find her since then.She was my g-g-grandmother. Patricia