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Marriages Sep 1951

MARSHALL Gladys E SCOTT Sunderland 1a 2728
SCOTT Thomas MARSHALL Sunderland 1a 2728


Gladys Edna Scott
Birth Date: 27 Sep 1896
Date of Registration: Mar 1972
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 2827


Gladys Edna Marshall
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 711

Audrey D Marshall born Sunderland J/F/M 1924 V10a P1074 mum nee Marshall she married 1943 to Mr Henderson.

Someone on here with that surname has
Robert Marshall 1873 born Close House Durham as on 1911 census posted earlier.
Gladys Marshall 1897
Winnifred Marshall 1914.
Audrey Marshall 1924
Mr G Henderson 1922.

Maybe you could contact him to see if he has info you need.

Maryb.

Brummiejan I would have to go and get it from my mums so would take a few days

Are you able to copy the cert & send it (you can attach documents to personal messages on here).
If you can, one of us might be able to decipher the writing, you never know!

Kathleen My uncles middle name is Edwin so that kind of ties in with above and there has been mention of a Doris , brumjien the addresses are just from my mums memory, we have Winifred's marriage cert but not birth cert but can't make out the writing very well :-(

Kathleen My uncles middle name is Edwin so that kind of ties in with above and there has been mention of a Doris , brumjien the addresses are just from my mums memory, we have Winifred's marriage cert but not birth cert but can't make out the writing very well

Interesting that Robert Marshall on that 1911 census is a barman.

Where do those addresses come from?
Also, it might be helpful if you could make out James' 2nd name on Winifred's marriage cert - whoever he is, it might offer a clue.

If you don't have it, I think you need Winifred's birth certificate to check the address and it should give her mother's occupation if she was unmarried.

Again, if you don't have it, Winifred's marriage certificate may give an occupation for Jimmy Marshall so perhaps he could be identified on either the 1911 census or the 1939 register.

I don't see Winifred or her husband showing on the 1939 register in Durham.

There is this Gladys Marshall in the 1911 census who has a brother called James (could he possibly by "Uncle Jimmy"?):-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 Fore St Sunderland, Sunderland, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Robert Marshall Head Married Male Barman 38 1873 Close House Durham
Mary Louisa Marshall Wife Married Female - 37 1874 Durham Heighington
William Marshall Son Single Male Beer Bottle 17 1894 Durham Auckland
Gladys Marshall Daughter - Female - 14 1897 Durham Sunderland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Robert Edwin Marshall Son - Male School 12 1899 Durham Sunderland
James Wilfred Marshall Son - Male - 6 1905 Durham Sunderland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Doris May Marshall Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Durham Sunderland
Joseph Edward Marshall Son - Male - 1 1910 Durham Sunderland

Kath. x

Ok so have spoken to my mum who only remembers sketchy information, the person named on Winifred's marriage certificate as her father was known to them as uncle jimmy Marshall so shared the same name and to be honest maybe could have been Winifred's father but my mum is not sure so he is not as I previously said Winnifred and Audrey's brother, no one knows if Gladys had anymore children but we don't think so

i will check with my mum re brother James situation and post back later

I have three places but don't know what they relate to Bishop weirmouth, Thornton place Sunderland , and high Barnes terrace Sunderland

"Winifred named her brother on her marriage certificate as her Father" is how your OP read to me and I asked if I was correct.

A later post seems to say that Winifred had a sister Audrey, (Gladys' 2 children?) so was James brother to Gladys rather than to Winifred? As he would then be older and you say he was a Butcher we might be able to find him on a census.

Did Great Gran have any further children that you know of after she married, and if so do you know any names?

Was Audrey older than Winifred or younger? did she have another initial?

going by 1918 +/- 10 year with mmn Marshall there is
1913 birth mmn Marshall in Shardlow RD, Derbyshire and
1921 in Tynemouth Northumberland
1923 in Horncastle, Lincolnshire
1925 in Liverpool
1926 in Rochdale
then Audrey D 1924 Sunderland
and Audrey E 1928 Birmingham

?Your Nana's death - dob matches your posted dob

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) WINIFRED LILIAN
Last name SCOTT
Gender Female
Birth day 14
Birth month 8
Birth year 1914
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1983
District SURREY MID EASTERN
County Surrey
Volume 17
Page 0193
Country England

There are 2 Gladys Marshalls Sunderland on the 1911 census, born 1897/8. Obviously you can't be sure where she was born!

Presumably your grandmother's birth.

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Marshall Winifred L Marshall Sunderland 10a 1472

Natalie, do you have an address on her birth cert?

Jan

This birth is in the same area as her marriage and the mother's maiden name is Marshall, so could this be your Nan - it would make her 21 when she married ( rather than 13)

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) WINIFRED L
Last name MARSHALL
Birth year 1914
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name MARSHALL
District SUNDERLAND
County Durham
Country England
Volume 10A
Page 1472

Her birth certificate could possibly name her Father if he agreed to it but as she was registered under the same surname as her Mother then I would expect not. In which case, it's unlikely that you will find out who he was unfortunately

When and where did your Nanna and Great Gran die Natalie - if we find the right person we can work on a year of birth from that.

EDIT - birth posted as you posted your reply.

So am trying to find any information on Winifred's parents I've Gladys Marshall and unknown father